
Hello everyone,
and welcome to our German Word of the Day.
This time we’ll have a look at: the meaning of
The Meanings and uses of “vorbei”
Its underlying theme is the idea of passing, but it does cover different aspects of that, so some of the meaning in a dictionary may seem contradictory.
It’s definitely a word you’ll hear a lot in daily life and it’s one of those that can make your German sound more natural and authentic if you you how and when to use it.
That’s what we’ll learn today, so if you’re ready, let’s jump right in.
So vorbei is obviously a combination of the two prepositions vor and bei, so let’s look at the parts real quick.
‘vor’ and ‘ bei’
Vor is about the core idea of in front, ahead, and it can be used for location (in front of X) as well as time (before X) and many other figurative contexts.
- Ich bin vor dem Baum.
- I am in front of the tree.
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- Vor dem Espresso esse ich immer gerne eine Mahlzeit.
- I like eating a meal before the espresso.
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Now, bei is of course the brother of by, but those two are actually borderline false friends. Or maybe not false friends, but definitely not close friends either.
The main use of English by is the idea of means or source. The book by the author. I came by train.
German bei does NOT express that.
The core idea of bei is being at or with someone or something. A bit like “standing by (with) someone“, but used MUCH more broadly.
- Ich bin bei meiner Freundin.
- I am at my girlfriend’s.
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- Ich habe mich beim Yoga verletzt.
- I hurt myself at Yoga/while doing yoga.
So, these are the two parts, and what do we get when we combine them?
Drumroll for the big reveal, please:
The core idea of vorbei is: by.
In the sense of passing by.
So vor really doesn’t add much of its idea.
Which raises the question we couldn’t just use bei for that.
I reached out to German for comment, and here’s what I got back:
“Just learn it, lol.”
Yeah, German’s public relations team really doesn’t care. At least it’s not a ChatGPT answer.
But anyway, let’s move on and explore vorbei.
“vorbei” as literally “passing by”
So, the core theme of vorbei is passing by and this of course goes VERY well with verbs of movement, which link up with vorbei to form a prefix verb.
Like vorbeifahren or vorbeilaufen for example.
- Ich halte mir die Ohren zu, wenn eine Feuerwehr an mir vorbeifährt.
- I cover my ears, when a fire truck drives by (in front of me) /passes me by .
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- Ich laufe an dem Einhorn vorbei.
- I pass by the unicorn (walk past it).
And of course this usage doesn’t just work with fahren, but with all kinds of movements.
- Ich wollte ihr gratulieren, aber sie ist einfach an mir vorbeigegangen.
- I wanted to congratulate her, but she just walked by me.
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- Die Elfe schleicht/ tanzt/ schwebt an dem Baum vorbei.
- The elven woman sneaks/ dances /floats by/past the tree.
As you can see, it can work with all kinds of motion verbs.
One thing that’s important is the preposition: the default preposition that goes with vorbei-verbs it is an, so you vorbeifahren an or vorbeilaufen an something.
But if you want to be specific, you can use a different one, like hinter or vor or über or whatever.
- Das Fahrrad fährt hinter mir vorbei.
- The bike passes by behind me.
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Cool.
So that’s one use of vorbei.
Now, I don’t know if you’ve ever noticed but passing by can actually mean two things in English.
It can be about passing by in the sense we’ve just seen, but it can also mean NOT passing it by.
“vorbei” in the sense of visiting
Imagine you’re on your way to a friend and you pass by the store to get beer. Here, passing by means that you actually do go there.
German vorbei works exactly the same.
- Ich gehe nach der Arbeit bei der Bibliothek vorbei.
This can mean that I just walk by it, but it can also mean that I stop there and go inside.
- In der Galerie sind echt gute Bilder. Geh da mal vorbei.
- The exhibition has really cool pictures. You should go there some time.
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Captain Context will usually make it clear here, what is meant.
Another really nice example for this double meaning is vorbeikommen, which can mean to manage to pass by something…
- Thomas versucht, am Türsteher vorbeizukommen.
- Thomas tries to get past the bouncer.
…but its also a really common colloquial term for casual visits, like to drop by.
- Ich komme um 10 vorbei.
- I’ll come by at 10.
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- “Bock, heute was zu machen?”
“Klar, komm einfach nachher vorbei.” - “Wanne do something today?”
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Like I said… context will usually make it clear.
But if not, the prepositions will give it away.
Because for the idea of going past we usually use an, and for the idea of visiting, dropping by, it’s bei.
And yes… vorbei bei is a thing in German ;).
- Ich fahre an der Bibliothek vorbei und mache ein Foto.
- I am driving past the library and I’m taking a picture …. (like… out of the window of the car.)
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- Ich fahre bei der Bibliothek vorbei und mache ein Foto.
- I’ll drop by the library (“driving-wise”) and take a picture… (I stop there, lock my bike, get out my tripod etc.)
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All right.
Cool.
Now, the ideas we’ve seen so far were vorbei combined with motion verbs, but it does work with other verbs as well.
And then, it often takes on an idea of missing.
“vorbei” in the sense of missing
Take vorbeiwerfen for example. Werfen means to throw and based on what we just learned, vorbeiwerfen is basically throwing an object so it “passes by” something.
- Ich werfe am Baum vorbei.
This means that I throw something and it “passes by” the tree.
And the translation essentially depends on my intention.
- I throw past the tree. (could be on purpose)
- I miss the tree. (I tried to hit it)
Once again, we’ll need the help of Cpt. Context to know, but as you can see in the following examples, it’s usually pretty clear.
- Der Spieler schießt vorbei.
- The player misses the goal.
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- Deine Idee geht an dem Problem vorbei.
- Your idea misses the problem.
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- “10 Euro, wenn du von hier mit dem Schneeball die Laterne triffst.”
“Ok…” (wirft)
“Oh, vorbei.”
“Ja, aber es war knapp.” - “13,64 dollar if you can hit the lantern with a snowball from here.”
“Okay… “(throws)
“Oh… missed it.”
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Only sometimes, it’s a bit less obvious.
- Die Quartalsergebnisse gehen meilenweit an den Erwartungen vorbei.
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This sentence is about the quarterly result “passing by” the expectations and it would make perfect sense to assume that it means to exceed. But in that context, a native speaker will understand that as to miss, even though that doesn’t even technically include “passing” the target.
There’s no deeper logic here, though. The verb just came to be used in that sense only.
- The quarterly results missed the expectations by a mile.
Most of the time, the context will make it clear though, so don’t worry.
Cool, so that’s passing by in a sense of missing.
It’s common with all kinds of verbs where you “move” some object, but you can also see it as a standalone, like here:
- Wenn du zum Markt willst musst du an der Kirche vorbei. (gehen is omitted)
- I you want to go to the market you have to go past the church.
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- “Komme ich hier geradeaus zum Markt?”
“Oh, da sind Sie schon dran vorbei.” - “If I go straight, will that get me to the market?”
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And just to bring it to your attention again… also here we see that an is the default preposition buddy of vorbei… vorbei an. Remember that!
If there was to be a quiz once this show is over, this would be a question.
And speaking of something being over, that brings us to the last meaning of vorbei – vorbei in the sense of time.
“vorbei” in the context of time
So far, all the uses we had were about location, or at least they were “spatial” in some sense.
But as one of the smartest people the planet has ever seen has taught us:
“Space and time are a continuum.”
(John Cena)
Thanks, John!
Or wait, was he one of the smartest or one of the prettiest? I always mix this up.
Anyways, just like in the spatial realm, we can also use passing by and vorbei in the domain of time.
- Ich arbeite gerne, wenn viel zu tun ist. Dann geht die Zeit schnell vorbei.
- I like working when there”s a lot to do. The time goes by quickly then.
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And it isn’t limited to just “time” but also works for events or states or other temporal things.
- “Ich bin einfach so deprimiert, seit ich mit Thomas Schluss gemacht hab.”
“Keine Sorge, das geht vorbei.” - “I am just so down/depressed since I broke up with Thomas.”
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And that’s why vorbei by itself is a translation for over.
- Das Konzert ist vorbei.
- The concert is over.
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- Diese Zeiten sind Gott sei dank vorbei.
- Those days are over, thank god.
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Now, vorbei is not the only option for this kind of over. Two other ones are zu Ende and beendet.
Zu Ende is very “pointy” and it works well for things with a definite ending… like a movie or a play.
- Der Film ist zu Ende.
- The movie is over.
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Beendet is just the ge-form of the word beenden which is to bring something to an end/to finish something. So this kind of only works if a people have an active role in ending it, and like many be-verbs, it sounds a bit technical.
- Die Diskussion ist beendet.
- The discussion is over.
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So beendet wouldn’t really work with a movie, for example, unless you mean that the filming has been completed.
Vorbei itself is pretty neutral and just means that the time something lasted has passed.
- Das Projekt ist vorbei.
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This just means that the project over. You cannot partake in it any more.
- Das Projekt ist beendet.
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This puts a little more emphasis on the fact that someone declared it to be over.
But I think I’m getting lost in the details a little. Please don’t worry about this kind of stuff too much.
And we’re almost done here, but there’s a couple more things I want to mention real quick.
First up, I want to mention vorüber. This is a synonym for vorbei and primarily used for time. It sounds a bit high register and vorbei is definitely more common in daily life. But there’s one use that vorbei DOESN’T have and that’s the word vorübergehend, which means temporarily.
- Dieser Geldautomat ist vorübergehend außer Betrieb. Bitte benutzen Sie…
- This cash machine is temporarily out of order. Please use the ….
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Last but not least, I want to show you a few pretty common idioms with vorbei – one is about missing, one about passing and one about visiting.
I won’t give you the translations, but I think you might be able to figure out what they mean. Leave a comment, if you have an idea :)
- Knapp daneben ist auch vorbei.
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- Das geht mir am Arsch vorbei. ( a bit vulgar)
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- Wobei, ich wollt’ davor bei dir vorbei.
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Okay, the last one isn’t really an idiom, actually.
It is a “confusium” for beginners when they hear it :).
Like…. “voby-blah-voby-di-voby“… whaaaat? What a mess.
And it actually reminded me of one last thing… no matter which vorbei we’re talking about… the emphasis is ALWAYS on bei and it is strong….
vorBEI
and it would be quite confusing the other way around.
And with this important last minute insight, we’ll wrap it up :).
This show about the meaning of vorbei is vorbei now :).
If you want to recap and check how much you remember, just take the quiz I have prepared for you.
And of course, if you have any question or suggestions about vorbei or if you want to take a shot at the three idioms just komm vorbei in the comment section :)
I hope you liked it and see you next time.
Further reading:

Also – as you note in the heading of the page (as at 11/12/2024), some of the text in this article has been contaminated which makes it difficult to read.
Should be fixed for now.
Hi Emanuel – i found the NOT in Q2 of the quiz very confusing in the context of the list of answers. Clearly the possible answers are all correct, but how does that reconcile with the demand in the question to identify which is NOT correct?
You have a point, the answer /question was phrased weirdly. I modified it a bit now to make it more natural an answer.
I cannot believe this type of resource is available just like that on the internet. With real audio, and pronunciation checks, and a handwritten human explanation- This is a goldmine. Thank you for your contributions
Glad you enjoy it and if you end up using it regularly, please consider becoming a member. I try to keep it as free as possible, but it needs to pay my bills :).
I love your lessons. You are a good human and teacher :)
Danke :)!
Could you please explain to me (ein Anfänger;), why did you use Dativ in the sentence ” Ich fahre an der Bibliothek…”
According to me, we would have to use Akkusativ because it refers to movement.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your knowledge (and humour)!
Good question, it makes total sense that you’re confused.
You have to shift your understanding of two way prepositions a little.
It’s not a question of whether there’s a movement or not.
What matters is whether the location is a destination or a fixed location.
The library is not the destination of your journey. It is an indication where you are at a certain moment (the library) and what you (passing it) do there .
For more details, check out my post on two way prepositions. That’ll clear it all up :)
https://yourdailygerman.com/two-way-prepositions-explained/
It would be awesome to just listen to this whole piece, in addition to reading it.
Actually, I have said something about that recently:
https://yourdailygerman.com/easy-german-podcast-4/
There’s a section where I explain why I think it won’t work very well.
Hi There, sadly can’t work this out: ◾Wobei, ich wollt’ davor bei dir vorbei : I wanted to pass by before you???? Can you help?
Thanks
Niamh
“davor” is meant in a temporal sense of “before that”, “bei dir vorbei” means “pass by your place”. There’s an implied “kommen” or “gehen”.
The “wobei” is a pensive sounding “although” that is not connected directly to the sentence.
Let me know if that helps :)
Excellent explanation.
Ich halte mir die Ohren zu, wenn eine Feuerwehr an mir vorbeifährt.
Deine Idee geht an dem Problem vorbei.
Emanuel why do we have the ‘an’ in these sentences where we use a vorbei related word?
thanks Steve
Hey Emanuel, Could you please do if possible german word ‘vor’ just vor because i think alone can be used in different context and it make me bit confused and also can be used as prefix like one explained above or simply suffix ‘Bevor’ /’ Zuvor’ / ‘Davor’ (that already been explain in da’ articles)
I’ll definitely do something about the prefixes at some point but I’m not sure about the format yet. Generally, “vor” is about the idea of “ahead, front, advance”, in some form.
Thank you :-)
“Ich fahre an der Bibliothek vorbei und mache ein Foto.” surely this should be an den as its transitive?
Bibliothek is “die” so “den is out of the question. Does that clear it up?
“Mahrzeit”?
Ops… “Mahlzeit”… Danke :)
Can we say” kann ich mal vorbei” inst ead of vorbei kommen …..can ppl understand itfrom d context?
I don’t really understand your question, I’m afraid… “kann ich mal vorbei?” is a question with a tense and a subject. “vorbei kommen” is just a verb, an infinitive. You cannot use one instead of the other.
Do you mean if people understand
– Kann ich mal vorbei?
as
– Kann ich mal vorbeikommen?
?
To that the answer is no. “Kann ich mal vorbei” will be understood as “Can I pass.” That’s what people ask in the tram if they need to get to the door. If that’s not what you meant, then help me out what you’re looking for exactly.
Danke!
Hallo, und danke für ein wundervolles Artikel! Ich habe eine Frage, nicht über dem Wort “vorbei”, aber im Allgemeinen. Im Beispielsatz, „Ich halte mir die Ohren zu, wenn eine Feuerwehr an mir vorbeifährt.”, warum sagt man nicht „Ich halte mir die Ohren zu, wenn eine Feuerwehr an mir fährt vorbei”? Ich habe gesehen, dass das Präfix trennbar sein–ich unterstehe nicht. Bitte erklären Sie?
(Oh, and my German sucks, so it’d be awesome if you could correct all the mistakes I made above)
Ja, es ist trennbar, aber es ist in einem wenn-Satz. Und wenn-Sätze sind Nebensätze. So wie “dass”-Sätze. Das Verb ist immer am Ende.
– Ich fahre an der Bibliothek vorbei.
– Ich mache ein Foto, wenn ich an der Bibliothek vorbeifahre.
Ein paar Korrekturen:
– … einen wundervollen Artikel (der Artikel)
– Ich habe gesehen, dass das Präfix trennbar IST.
– Ich VERstehe nicht.
Aber dein Deutsch ist garnicht so schlecht. Keine Sorge.
Darf ich einen eventuellen Vorschlag machen? Wir könnten zwischen den Hauptbeiträgen auch unser Deutsch üben, indem wir kurze Texte ins Deutsche übersetzen würden, ungefähr 3-4-5 Sätze (aus den Nachrichten o.Ä.). Dann die üblichen Korrekturen, Vergleich der Ergebnisse und deine Vorschläge zum besseren Übersetzen… Könnte nützlich sein.
Stimmt schon, aber zur Zeit habe ich so viel Arbeit, dass ich froh bin, wenn ich einen Artikel pro Woche schreibe und alle Kommentare schaffe zu beantworten… vielleicht irgendwann mal. aber dann lieber kurze “echte” Texte. Übersetzen ist was anderes als natürlich produzieren, wenn du weißt was ich meine :)
Ach so, verstehe. Dann noch eine zusätzliche vorläufige Idee – vllt. könnten wir zu jedem deinem Artikel, der mit dem Wortschatz zu tun haben wird, Miniaufsätze (wieder mal 4-5 Sätze) mit dazugehörigen Wörtern verfassen? Dabei läuft alles nach wie vor, außer dass du bloß mehr Kommentare kriegst als üblich.
> i dont the card with me ” they say ” ich habe nicht die karte vorbei ” is that true ? can we use it this way ?
I strongly doubt that anyone says this. You probably mean “Ich habe die Karte nicht dabei”.
Exactly my thought… it could be either “dabeihaben” or just “beihaben”
– Ich habe die Karte nicht (da)bei.
In some parts of Germany (Bavaria for example) the “da” sounds much like “do” so I can see that it might sound like “vorbei”… but it’s definitely not.
thank you both for making it clear ! so dabei not vorbei ! :D thanks
hi
I wanted to thank you for your blog. I’m in berlin and I just finished b1 at the vhs. german is still really confusing and your blog posts help put everything in context before I take my test. I shared your blog with some people in my class and they all love it too, even the spanish who don’t speak english so well. thanks for explaining everything so entertainingly.
Yeay. Glad to hear that. Vielen Dank für das liebe Feedback und für’s weitersagen und viel Erfolg in B2 (wenn du es machst).
hello , thanks for this word :D sometimes i hear people using it like if they want to say ” i dont the card with me ” they say ” ich habe nicht die karte vorbei ” is that true ? can we use it this way ?
1 more thing , can we request a word of the day for later ? coz i would like to read some explanation about the word ” holen “, is it like the “get ” in english ? coz u know there is a lot of ways to use ” get ” is that the same in german ? and how does it work in german please !?
oh , 1 more thing :$ u told me before to read more german to gain more vocabs , have u any idea where i can find some easy german texts to read so i can understand at least some of what im reading !?
“Holen” is a good idea… but it is much more narrow than the English “to get”. As for easy books… just look for “DaF Lernkrimi” or if you’d like something “soapier” then maybe Hueber Lesehefte deserve a shot … really dumb stories, but specifically for beginners :)
https://shop.hueber.de/de/anna-berlin-leseheft.html
Hey great blog on the nuances of the German language! I love learning new languages and I am currently studying four languages, and I must say your blog is taking it to a whole other level. I have seen other blogs on German, and other languages too. I think part of your success is the language itself. It lends itself to much exploration because you can combine words is a simple way in German, and yet, the other secret to your success is how you explain the details (etymology) of how each word formed over the centuries in German for its various meanings. I really enjoy how you break down the different meanings of each word into an enjoyable read. Bravo! Two questions for you if you have the time: How many languages do you speak or study, and I believe your native language (from what I have read) is German?
Wow, 4 languages at once! Don’t you get totally confused :D. That’s more than I speak :). I speak German (my mother tongue) and English quite well, I have a dormant French that I can kiss awake whenever I need it.. or so I hope. I have put some work into Italian… to an extend that I won’t forget the basics. At the peak I was able to hold conversation but right now… not really. Finally, I have studied some Finnish and I could write decently well (for a foreigner, that is) but I never held one coversation… not even close. Finnish is just soooo different that it takes practice, lots of practice. And what I did, was theory and binge learning vocab.
Thanks for the awesome feedback. It’s really really motivating. And I agree… I find German to be a pretty lego-like language. That starts with the prefixes and goes all the way up to sentence structure. And once you know which parts fit where, then it is plug and play… in a way. With lot’s of bugs though :). Viel Spaß und Erfolg beim Lernen
Bitte, Emanuel was bedeutet dieser ausdruck ?” I can kiss awake whenever I need it ” Je devine quelque chose comme ” se débrouiller ou manager ” mais je ne suis pas sur .
Ich wollte sagen, dass ich mein Französisch wachküssen kann… wie ein Prinzessin… “reveiller par embrasser” so in der Art :D
Ach so! wie Brüder GRIMM’s Märchen Rosendörnchen .Welches interecentes verb! Vielen dank .
Hahah… es heißt “Dornröschen” :D… aber das ist schön, könnte ein schönes Volkslied sein
– Ein Dornenröschen hat ein Rosendörnchen und ich stach mich daran, ja ich stach mich daran.
Some polyglots advise to learn several languages at once, say that it’s actually somehow easier. Dunno whether it’s true, but there you have it.
I don’t know . I’m dubitative to learn sevral langages simultaneously.
Me too… and on top of that I am too lazy :). I mean… 4 languages, that all need practice and work… that takes a lot of free time. But then again, if it’s fun then it doesn’t “take” free time… it “is” free time.
I agree – by studying four languages concurrently I do not find it that much difficult as folks would think. Of course, I did not venture out of 2 or 3 languages for years. In the last 3 years did I move into my fourth language. They also say if you are bilingual before age 8, you have more gray matter in your brain to assess more languages – I am not sure if this is true, it was from a study I once read. I was a bilingual baby so I am not sure if this has helped me or not.
I’ve heard something similar.. that once you speak 3 or 4 languages it gets easier and easier to learn a new one… I guess because all that stuff you’ve taken for granted has been shattered already and you actually know that there are other ways to express things and you’re totally open to it. And of course you are trained at learning. That really helps. I used to HATE learning vocab in school. A list of 10 French words could defeat me. But in Finland I did it because I wanted too and after a few days I really enjoyed brute force list learning. And now I think there is no better way to start :)
Great job on your other languages! I speak Spanish, German, and then there is Italian and French that I love practicing as well. However, living in Southern California makes Spanish EXTREMELY assessable, and of course, Italian its’ “near and dear cousin” language. Finnish, like all the Scandinavian languages beginning with Denmark and Northward do not have verb conjugations – rather they use the “declination of the noun” itself which puts them on an entire new point of view. Some folks say “oh no verb conjugations should make it easier, but noooo the noun declination is entirely foreign to my neuro-mind make up. Keep on keeping on – I really enjoy your word of the day and will make a donation to you – is it through pay pal? (:
Does it make sense to write “Finnish, like all the Scandinavian languages”, as if they constituted a separate group, even though Finnish is not even Indo-European?
I am just saying Finnish like the other Scandinavian language uses “noun declension” instead of “verb conjugations.” I find this fascinating. So you have to know your noun classifications. I do not know other details of the Finnish language (like that it is not Indo-European), and I only studied Finnish in a flash – maybe two or three weeks. In this sense, these languages are considered distinct from other languages. Or, if you would like, a separate grouping of languages. Hope this helps in clarifying what I was trying to point out (:
I think Marcus means Scandinavian languages as in languages spoken in Scandinavia. But yeah… it does sound a lot like the language families Germanic languages, Romance languages etc
Finnish does have verb conjugation. We don’t even have to use personal pronouns to imply “who’s doing what” because it’s so visible in the verb form. And there’s a verb form for passive too, so unlike in German we only need one one word to form the passive (Es wird gesprochen/ Man spricht vs. Puhutaan). Verb forms don’t only imply “who’s doing what” but a bunch of other stuff too, such as conditional or the likeliness of something happening.
I don’t know for sure about other “Scandinavian” languages, but the noun declination in Swedish is relatively simple. The definite – indefinite thing makes it a bit harder especially since we don’t have that in Finnish, but it’s still nothing compared to the noun declination in fenno-ugrian languages. I applaud foreigners that are able/willing to even pick up the basics of Finnish.
I love Finnish. I like the rhythm, the sound inventory and the sound it can have (women chatting is great, men chatting tends to be a bit monotone :), And I find it to be very organized. 15 Cases sounds a lot but for example the local cases or really straight forward and I much prefer that to the mess of prepositions we have in German/English/Italian. Also, it is really like Lego (no offense meant). You learn the core-syllable that has to do with seeing and you can understand soooo many words with that as long as you’ve learned what endings there are and what they do (not just case-ending, all the rest as well). The only downside is that it is so different. And that’s why I was able to write but not talk… but who knows. Maybe one day I will… kiitos oivaluun suomiin kieliin… god, that was probably REALLY wrong :D
Finnish is supposed to be pretty monotone, but I guess us girls are too emotional or passionate or something to be monotone. :D I think English or Swedish have made an impact on the way we speak Finnish nowadays, because a lot of people – especially young women from Helsinki – have a rather annoying habit of raising their intonation towards the end of the word (loppukiekaisu as we call it). Even reporters on TV emphasize syllables wrong even though it should come naturally to only emphasize the first syllable.
Yeah, I guess the core-syllable thing makes sense, it just seems that there would be an awful lot of core-syllables or core-syllable groups to learn. The local cases have other meanings too, like “MinuLLA on kissa” or “Tuoksuu hyväLTÄ/LLE” but I guess context makes it pretty easy to understand anyway.
I don’t unfortunately really understand what you’re trying to say with your sentence, but it could sort of make sense if Oivaluu was a word or like a name of a god. Then it’d be kinda like “thanks to the languages that Oivaluu has bestowed (upon us)”. :D
Ops… episches Versagen (epic fail) :D… what I was trying to say was “thanks for the insight into the Finnish language”. I figured “thank” would be directed toward or into. “oivalu” was what a dictionary gave me as a translation of “insight” and oivaluun was attempt at the case. And then I wasn’t sure how to work the “Finnish language” in there. I just assumed “insights” would also be directed toward/into something and I felt like the adjective was supposed to take the same ending as the noun. Oh well… it’s been 8 years :). I ‘m really curious what the proper way is though…
The translation of insight is “oivallus” so there’s probably something wrong with your dictionary… The better way to say it would be “Kiitos oivalluksesta(si) suomen kieleen (liittyen)” but it still sounds pretty weird. Oivallus sounds like you’ve been thinking about something for a long time and then you finally understand it. I would probably say something like “Kiitos näkökulmasta(si)/näkökannasta(si) suomen kieleen”.
Your train of thought makes sense, but for some reason “thank” is kind of directed outwards (kiitos joSTAkin). You were right about insights being directed toward/into something, but the declination was off – “kieliin” is the plural. You were also right about the adjective taking the same ending as the noun, but the word “suomi” isn’t an adjective. The word suomi (with a lower-case “s”) just means the language so you have to use the genitive, which gives the phrase the meaning “the language of Finnish”.
Ich möchte dir noch für dein Blog danken! Es hat mir sehr viel geholfen, als ich für die B2-Prüfung und für die “ylioppilaskirjoitukset” gelernt habe.
Ah… thanks :)… I remember “nä” as a seeing-core and “kirji” as writing and of course “ylio” as study. ich habe noch nicht alles vergessen. Juchu :)… freut mich, dass mein Blog geholfen hat und dass du die Prüfung bestanden hast.
Yeah it is :)
Ach enschuldigung! Ich möchte ” brauchen” sagen .
Du meinst wahrscheinlich, du *wolltest* das sagen, da sich deine Aussage eher auf die Vergangenheit bezieht, während “möchte” eine Präsensform ist.
Du hast vollkommen recht . Vielen Dank .
Ich glaube, dieser Ausdruck verdient es, im Artikel erwähnt zu werden: aneinander vorbeireden
Ich mag Milch lieber.
:D
Gute idee. Es gibt ein paar halbmodal verben, wie heissen, helfen, gebrauchen, sehen als Ersatinfinitif .
Das versteh ich nicht… was ist “gebrauchen” halbmodal und was hat das mit dem Ersatzinfinitiv zu tun? Ich bin verwirrt
Ihr redet aneinander vorbei. ;)
Frage zum Ersatzinfinitiv.
Du wirst gefragt. – Du wurdest gefragt.
Du könntest gefragt werden. – Du hättest gefragt werden können. ?
dass du gefragt wirst – dass du gefragt wurdest
dass du gefragt werden könntest – dass du hättest gefragt werden können ?
Ja.