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There are two words that I either forget the meaning of or keep mixing: feststellen and festlegen. Can you help me with some clever connection/trick or indications of how to use them in sentences?
How about this:
I got an email from a “Word of the Day” service with the following example for vorstellen:
Example sentence:Darf ich Ihnen meine Frau vorstellen?
Sentence meaning:May I introduce you to my wife?
Shouldn’t this be translated as “May I introduce my wife to you?”
I think that’s more of a question about English. I see what you mean, but I feel like “introduce you to my wife” could go either way in English.
Your version is the better translation for the German sentence, because it’s clear and unambiguous. For the rest, we’d need an English native speaker to confirm or deny.
Sorry , its another Konjunktiv 2 question ; ) Just wondering about asking someone to imagine something e.g. “stell dir vor, dass du ein Einhorn bist “.
A) Konjunktiv 2 as far as i’ve seen isn’t used in this kind of formulation, presumably because it’s already clear it is something imaginary – correct?
Or can you also use Konjunktiv 2 in this construction anyway or does that change the sense ? e.g. ” “stell dir vor, dass du ein Einhorn wärest “
B) What happens if you wanted to propose an elaborate fantasy to someone that runs through several sentences Do the following sentences also have no need for Konjunktiv 2?
e.g.
“Stell dir vor, dass du ein ungewöhnliches Einhorn bist. Du hast ein hellgrünes Fell und vier große rote Augen. Eines Tages findest du dich allein im Wald. Eine Hexe steht vor dir und …. ”
C)
And I guess where you might use Konjuntiv 2 would be where you come out of the fantasy ? e.g.
” Stell dir vor, dass du ein Einhorn bist und dass du nur Blumen essen darfst? Was würdest du davon halten? “
A)
Yes, you can absolutely use conjunctive 2 in this example.
People are less likely to do it because “wärst” sounds like shit and is harder to pronounce than “bist”.
But with “ich”, the conjunctive 2 is a little more likely.
The difference is that when you use it, it already makes it “irreal”.
So you’re imagining it, but at the same time you’re fully aware how not real it is.
When you use indicative, then it sounds a bit more like you’re really imagining it as a reality.
B)
I’d go with indicative simply because conjunctive 2 is a lot of extra burden.. all these forms, in the du-form, no less. That’s the least common one.
It doesn’t add anything in terms of content. It just makes it sound more hypothetical, which is not what we need. We want it to feel “real” in the moment.
Generally, you HAVE to stick to what you start with, at least if you start with indicative. If you then switch to conditional, that’ll be confusing to the brain.
C)
Great example!
Here, the form really DOES make a difference. With “würdest” you’re asking the opinion of the person WITHIN the setting, with indicative (was hältst du davon) you’re asking the opinion of the person right there. That’s two different persons, one real, one imaginary.
Hope that helps!!
Thanks!
hello
can you please teach me the use and construction of konjunktiv I and Konjunktiv 2 please I know its out of context aber ES waere sehr hilfsreich wenn Sie mir bitte das erklaren koennten , vielen dank
I have an article series about Konjunktiv 2.
https://yourdailygerman.com/konjunktiv-2-explanation-subjunctive-wuerde/
That’s part 1, you can find the rest there :)
Hallo
Ich teste nur mein Verstaendnis:
Ich stelle mich als Koenig vor.
Ich stelle mir als Koenig vor.
Wuerde der erste Satz funktionieren, um mich als Koenig vorzustellen, der zweite Satz, um mich als Koenig zu imaginieren?
Danke im voraus
Der erste Satz ist:
“Hi, I am a king.”
also das ist, was du sagen wolltest, glaube ich.
Der zweite ist nicht korrekt, denn es fehlt, WAS du dir als König vorstellst.
– Ich stelle mir MICH als König vor.
Greetings
Ich habe diesen Satz gelesen und versucht, mit “imagine” zu uebersetzen:
Tina, stell dir vor, Kara wird Mama, sie ist schwanger.
Hat sich nicht angefuehlt..”Rate mal” zu verwenden klang besser. Kann “sich vorstellen” auch mit “Rate mal” gemeint sein?
Danke
“rate mal” only works if you actually follow up with a question:
– Rate mal, was für News ich habe.
In the example above it would make NO sense because you immediately follow it up with the message itself.
Hope that helps.
Hallo,
Dear Emauel recently I saw a word “vorstellungsgespräch”, as I am really interested in breaking down the words I understood that vorstellungsgespräch is stellungs+(ge+spräch), however, I am not sure that spräch stand alone, means “talk”, but gespräch means conversation and stellungsgespräch probably means conversation about a job or position, which means job interview and it seems that we really don’t need “vor” here, the question is, why German add “vor” to stellungsgespräch?
Sorry for the delay !!!
“Gespräch” is “talk” and it’s based on the verb “sprechen”. The ge is a prefix expressing “collection, completion”.
The first part is “Vorstellungs”, though. Not just “Stellungs”. Yes, a “Stelle” can be a job, but Vorstellungs is about presenting yourself, not the position.
Vorstellungsgespräch – presentation talk
So it’s directly based on the verb “sich vorstellen – to introduce oneself”
Hope that helps :)
Thank you so much, Emanuel for your fruitful comment.
Amazingly enough just on Thursday I was pestering my teacher (professional teacher, ha) about why vorstellen had such various meanings, and she basically said “shut up. Just because”. And then on Sunday this appears in my Facebook feed. I’m a happy boy.
Ha, what a coincidence :).
Glad it helps!!
Wait… actually, that’s kind of creepy. Did Marc Zuckerberg listen in on the conversation between you and your teacher ?! Hmmmmmmmmmmm
So helpful. Duolingo had me really confused.
Great topic!
I have a question regarding this sentence ‘Thomas stellt seinen Eltern seine neue Freundin vor’. Shouldn’t it be ‘Thomas stellt seinen Eltern seiner neuen Freudin vor’ since his girlfriend is the indirect object? Correct me if I’m wrong.
Hi,
A bit late to answer but I just stumbled upon this site today.
In this case the indirect object is the parents. Thomas introduces his girlfriend (seine, DIE Freundin) TO the parents. Seinen is dative plural.
Hope it helps (:
You’re in time for the people reading this after today, so perfectly in time :)!!
Hey thanks so much for this. I’m a bit of a beginner myself, and I was wondering if this silly sentence was correct:
Ich stelle mir dich vor.
Aber ich hoffe dass ich mich dir vorstellen werde.
As in:
I imagine you.
But I hope that I will introduce myself to you.
YES!!! Perfect :)!!! Did you do that yourself? Then you’re officially not a beginner anymore :)
Thanks for presentation
Gerne :)
Brilliant. Clear and entertaining, as always. I’d just like to check though. Does the reflexive pronoun override the dative before accusative pronoun order rule? Thanks.
Good question! I guess you’re wondering about something like this:
– Ich stelle mir dich vor.
– Ich stelle dich mir vor.
The second one actually sounds better to my ears. This Dative before Accusative isn’t really a rule. When it comes to word order, there are actually very VERY few real rules. The rest is just trends. The “pronoun-order-rule” is just a trend that describes what usually happens.
But using the other order is not wrong and in some instances it’s more idiomatic.
The reason for that is that those trends are a result of what’s “under the hood”, so to speak. Textbooks and courses completely miss out on that, but you can read all about it in my series on word order :)
https://yourdailygerman.com/2015/01/07/german-word-order/
Hope that helps.
If I misunderstood your question, just let me know :)
Hi :)..could you let me know where vorstellen is used with Akkusativ and where it is used as Dativ ?
Your site is realy helpful und vielen dank fur Ihre Hilfe!! :)
Think of it as presenting. If you imagine something, you “present” it to yourself. If you introduce something, you present it to someone else. So the object/person you introduce/imagine is in accusative, the person you present to (you/someone else) is in Dative – the usual role of Dative. They “receive” a presentation.
– Ich stelle dir meine Freundin vor.
– I “present” you my girlfriend.
– Ich stelle mir meine Freundin vor.
– I “present mentally” my girlfriend to myself.
Does that help?
I think you may have made a mistake, reaching the same conclusion for the first and second example:
“In the first example mich is case 4 so I myself am the thing presented to someone else. Thus it must be to imagine. In the second sentence I present you TO myself, thus it must mean to imagine. Imagine is not something you can do to someone else.”
Indeed, I did :)… the first one should be “introduce” . Danke dir!!
Hello,
This is really great! I found your page as I was trying to understand the difference between “vorstellen” and “darstellen”, and you explanation helped me a lot. However, I need to distinguish between the two in a specific context, and I’m not shure I’m drawing the right conclusions. I thus thought it would be best to ask you for some advice. So here’s my question:
How would you translate “vorstellen” and “darstellen” if they were used in connection with “Bild” (as in “Das Bild stellt (an X) vor”, and “Das Bild stelt (an X) dar”)? I would say that, according to your explanation, “vorstellen” transaltes as ” to represent”. In this case, “Das Bild stellt (an X) vor” would translate as “the picuture represent an X” and it would be saying – in a (contorted) way – something like “putting the picture before an X”. On the other hand, I would translate “darstellen” as “presents”. Though, “Das Bild stelt (an X) dar” would mean something like: “the picture present an X”. In this latter case “darstellen” would act as a sinonim for “zeichen”.
Is this correct? I really hope I managed to exlain myself clearly,
Thanks
The “vorstellen” is actually just the basic “to introduce”. The picture could for instance be some diagram, some schematics or a sketch of a new airplane. Of course it does also “represent” the thing but that’s just inherent and not the focus of the verb. Now that I think of it, actually “to present” also works for “vorstellen”. “Darstellen” is definitely to “represent” and also “to portray” (for actors). It definitely would make sense for it to also mean something about putting something somewhere (“put there”) but it “feels” quite stationary.
Let me know if that helps :)
Sehr hilfreich! Dankeschoen!
Hello,
Why is it written as “Er stellt sich ein Bier vor” and “Marc stellt sich…..” when referring to imagination
If you use the dative case for imagination, why isn’t “ihm” used like “mir” and “dir” in the preceding examples of your description? In short, why is “sich” used and not “ihm” ?
Dankeschön!
Ah, I see sich is the dative reflex for Er…….this is new to me and I’ve taken a few German language courses. Can you provide me with some additional examples when you’d use this reflexive dative “sich”?
Thanks!
Exactly, it’s reflexive. And there’s an app for that… I mean.. an article :)
https://yourdailygerman.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/german-reflexive-verbs/
Ok, that’s just freaky… We learnt Reflexive Dative yesterday for the first time in class… My attempt at it was so awkward and funny for others, the tutor had me try twice when we went round the room!… I just shook my head with my hands covering my face… Will see how I go with your link… Perhaps I’ll be able to look before next class and redeem myself!
Eeww…. the term “reflexive Dative” just reminds me of my dislike for certain things in the books. Makes it sound much more complicated than it needs to be… but I’ve ranted enough in the article so I should shut up here. by the way… I assume you’re still reading in sequence but the Reflexive-article is like 18 month into the future of where you are now. You’re probably in for some contrast :D
I’m still technically in sequence though I’ve had such a time away from German over the last month will see how I go returning and learning again when the vibe’s back… Stay tuned! :)
viele danke, das war eine große Hilfe
Wird die Vergangenheitsform nicht mit haben gebildet?
Oh Gott, ja klar!!! Ich weiß echt absolut nicht, warum ich im Artikel “sein” geschrieben habe… was für ein fetter Fehler. Mist. Tausend dank für’s sagen :)!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it did, thank you :)