Word of the Day – “fordern”

Hello everyone,

and welcome to our German Word of the Day. This time, we’ll have a look at the meaning of

fordern

 

And of course not only fordern but the whole family – nouns, prefix versions, nouns of prefix versions and its supportive, freckled brother.
So, let’s jump right in and take our German one step… ahem…  further

Further, fordern… hmmm.  I’m sure some of you got at least suspicious. And yes, the two are indeed related, just like other words with the idea of forward/ahead like before, forth and the German vor.
This idea of forward is also at the core of fordern, but while the English to further for instance, makes stuff move forward by… well… making it move forward, the German fordern does it CEO-style. It makes “stuff move forward” by telling people to do it :). Fordern demands.

  • Mein Boss fordert Pünktlichkeit.
  • My boss demands punctuality.

Normally, people are not aware of this connection but it’s actually interesting how close the ideas bringing forth and demanding really are. It’s just a different angle.
Anyway, so yeah… fordern means to demand in the sense of someone demanding something be done. It’s quite strong and it sounds official and formal, which is also what separates it from verlangen, which can also mean to demand.

  • Ich fordere (verlange) eine Erklärung von dir.
  • I demand an explanation from you.
    (fordern sounds more formal, verlangen is more idiomatic in daily life)
  • Die Telekom fordert 100 Euro von mir.
  • The Telekom demands I pay 100 Euros.

You can find fordern in a couple of more abstract contexts as well.

  • Die Flut hat 3 Todesopfer gefordert.
  • The flood left 3 people dead.
  • Lit.:  The flood demanded 3 dead victims.
  • Die Arbeit fordert meine volle Konzentration.
  • The work “demands”/takes  all my concentration.

But the more literal use is the more common one, especially with the derived words.

  • Von den vom Volk geforderten Reformen ist bisher wenig zu sehen.
  • Little has been seen of the reforms that were called for/demanded by the people.
  • Maria guckt Thomas fordernd an.
  • Maria looks at Thomas expectantly.
  • Die Entführer stellen immer neue Forderungen.
  • The kidnappers keep coming up with new demands.

We should note that Forderung is really only demand in sense of someone requesting something. Demand in contexts like “demand for oil” or something could be Bedarf or Nachfrage, depending on context.

Now, of course if you want to be taken seriously as a German verb you need to make sure that you have prefix versions, and fordern has its fair share.

Give us prefix versions!

First up, there’s anfordern. It’s only ever used in contexts of requesting documents, so it’s not really all that useful, but the noun definitely deserves a mention.

  • Soziale Kompetenz gehört ohne Zweifel zu den zentralen Anforderungen an Manager.
  • Social skills are without a doubt part of the core requirements of a manager.

Next, we have auffordern and this one is REALLY common.
It’s basically the everyday brother of fordern. So it sounds less formal and it is way more immediate and direct. It’s easier to explain with the nouns, actually. A Forderung is basically like “We expect you to do this”, an Aufforderung is the direct command “Do this!”. So maybe we could think of it as directly and badly ask/tell to do”. You’ll definitely come across auffordern sooner or later.

  • Thomas fordert Maria auf, die Fernbedienung herauszugeben.
  • Thomas tells/calls on Maria to surrender the remote.
  • Der Kellner hat Thomas aufgefordert zu gehen.
  • The waiter asked Thomas to leave.

Hmm… I wonder why.
Anyway, the next two, they’re kind of a couple, are also quite common: unterfordern and überfordern (prefix is inseparable).
And I think figuring out their meaning without any hints is a doable challenge. In fact, let’s give it a try :)

  • Joshua fühlt sich von seinem Praktikum unterfordert.

  • Marias Schwester ist mit den 2 Jobs und den 5 Kindern überfordert.

I’m sure you at least got the gist of it.

  • Joshua feels unchallenged (lit.: “under-demanded”) by his internship.
  • Maria’s sister is over-challenged/stretched too thin with 2 jobs, the 3 kids and the unicorn family.
    (what’s the best choice for “überfordert” here. I feel like mine don’t really fit… danke :)

And speaking of challenge, that brings us right to the next one. Herausfordern means to challenge and it’s actually really easy to make the connection. Just think of a knight knocking on the door of another knight’s castle being like:

Mount up, Sire. Come out and fight. There’s only room for one of us in this lady”.

Uh… I mean land.
But yeah “demanding that someone come out” is the literal meaning of herausfordern and that really isn’t too far from challenge.

  • Thomas hat Marias Barflirt zu einem Duell herausgefordert. (oh, that’s why ;)
  • Thomas challenged Maria’s bar flirt to a duel.
  • Das Projekt ist eine veritable Herausforderung.
  • The project is a veritable challenge.

Uuuuhm… veritable?!… what happened to good old echt and real? Who wrote the examples for today… the new intern! Joshua, why’d you write this? No one talks like that… … … …. what… …. …. to challenge the readers? Well, learning German is challenging enough, thank you very much! Leave your Latin at home next time, okay?
Gee, these millennial interns. Hey Josh, the rest of the examples were fine today, keep it up. Oh, and could you get me an almond Matcha Latté in here? Thank you!

All right, back to prefix versions of fordern. There’s one more we need to talk about: erfordern, and of course this can only mean one thing:  to he-mand. Get it? Get it?  He- er?  Not funny? Uhm… who wrote this joke? Joshu… okay, okay, I’ll stop.
Seriously, er is one of the haziest prefixes out there and we’ll talk about it in detail at some point. One thing about it is that it has some sort of epic-ness. Like… “er”-verbs tend to not bother with factual, mundane stuff. They’re a bit abstract and aloof and that’s basically what makes erfordern different from fordern. It’s less direct and the best translation is to require.

  • Die App erfordert Zugriff auf meine Fotos.
  • The app requires access to my photos.

We could use fordern here, too, but that would sound way more direct. Like the app is putting the prompt “Allow me access to your photos” on our screen while with erfordern it’s a general statement about the app.
The most common context for erfordern is talking about “demands/requirements by reality” and you’ll usually see it in combination with words like patience, time, courage, empathy and so on.

  • Deutsch zu lernen erfordert viel Geduld.
  • Learning German requires/demands/takes a lot of patience.
  • Das Referendum hat die erforderliche Mehrheit nicht erreicht.
  • The referendum didn’t reach the needed/necessary/required majority.

All right.
So that’s fordern… it’s all about demands.
Let’s now take a look at its freckled brother… fördern.

fördern

And unlike fordern, fördern is actually about bringing something forward actively. Just like to further; the two even sound very similar.
But translations, they are not.
Fördern actually uses its core idea pretty broadly, and the actual translation depends on context.

  • Die Firma fördert junge Künstler.
  • The company supports/pushes young artists.
    (note that fördern is ALWAYS active. So it’s not to support in sense of just “liking” something. Fördern means you actually  DO something)
  • In Deutschland wird viel Kohle gefördert.
  • In Germany a lot of coal is mined.
  • Magnesium fördert die Durchblutung.
  • Magnesium is good for/encourages/promotes blood flow.

The last one is definitely a free interpretation of the idea of bringing forth but I think it’s still visible. By the way, guess what the literal translation of promote is – “to move forward”. Mote is related to motion and move and pro, believe it or not, is a Latin brother or vor and for.
Now, the noun for promote is promotion. In context with advertisement the German word is Werbung. But the word for a promotion at work is Beförderung.

  • Thomas wartet immer noch auf seine Beförderung.
  • Thomas is still waiting for his promotion.
  • Maria wurde letzte Woche befördert.
  • Maria got a promotion last week.

The be- does very little other than make fördern a bit more intense and focused. If I fördern Maria, then I’m just giving her help here and there. Little pushes. If I befördern her, I take her and move her up to a new position.
And that’s actually not limited to the job context. Unlike promote, befördern can be used for actual worldly moving of someone or something as well. It sounds a bit too stilted and technical for day-to-day conversation though, so you’ll mostly see it in writing.

  • Das Unternehmen SpaceX soll 2017 für die NASA Astronauten ins All befördern.
  • The company SpaceX is supposed to bring/transport astronauts into space for NASA.
  • Die BVG befördert im Jahr über eine Milliarde Fahrgäste. (Berlin Transport Company)
  • The BVG transports over a billion passengers per year.
  • Während ich auf den Bus warte, lese ich die Beförderungsbedingungen.
  • While waiting for the bus, I am reading the… uh… the…actually, I’m just gonna listen to music.

And that’s it for today. This was our look at the meaning of fordern and fördern. They both are at their core about moving or bringing something forward in some way, but fordern does it by telling other people to do it, while fördern actually actively supports and pushes.
As always, if you have any questions about the usage or the grammar, or if you want to try out some examples, just leave me a comment.
I hope you liked it and see you next time.

** vocab **

fordern – demand (that something be done)
die Forderung – the demand (in sense of the verb)
der Bedarf, die Nachfrage – the demand (sense of need)

herausfordern zu – challenge
auffordern – directly ask
einfordern – demand that something you have been promised be given
anfordern – order, solicit, request (usually used for documents and such)
die Anforderung – the requirement (much more common than the verb)

erfordern – require
erforderlich – needed, required

fördern – support, push, nurture, mine
die Förderung – the support, the funding, the mining, production (for oil, gas)
befördern – move someone/something (formal), also: promote (job)
die Beförderung  – the promotion (job, transport, NOT ads)
die Beförderungsbedingungen – terms of service of public transport
das Förderband – conveyer belt

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Mat
Mat
1 year ago

Something that I can’t get into my head.

Auffordern can have two opposite ways to go.

Mit Nachdruck – Being a bossy bitch like almost yelling to order someone to do something.

Als Bitte – Like come on, dude. make up your mind. How can you auffordern someone in a nice way and request something to be done. Doesnt make sense to make an invitation to do something with auffordern.

Jmd auffordern zu tanzen – is it going to depend on the context to determine with i’m being a bossy bitch. Like yeah you must dance now or am i invinting you to dance with me to have a delightful time.

Or am I being crazy with this one and auffordern als bitte isn’t really a thing.

Sanasi Lele
Sanasi Lele
3 years ago

Hello! I came across your blog piece just today and I must say I absolutely loved the explanation here. But I am still not clear with the ‘difference between die Förderung and die Unterstützung.’ Would be grateful if you could explain that as well.
Danke Ihnen !

Warren
Warren
3 years ago

You weren’t happy with translating überfordern as “over-challenged/stretched too thin” when you characterized Maria’s poor sister, the one with the two jobs etc. If you ask me, I’d say she was OVERWHELMED.

Peter A Rowe
Peter A Rowe
10 months ago
Reply to  Emanuel

Then it’s better translated as:
Maria’s sister isn’t up to managing/coping with 2 jobs and 5 children.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Das Öl von Fisch fördert Omega3 in körper

Brie
Brie
5 years ago

Great post! I have seen these verbs a lot and always found clarification tricky, so thanks so much for this post. I study religion and see the noun “Aufforderung” pop up a lot. What would be the meaning in a religious context and outside a religious context? Thanks!

duuuudeZ
duuuudeZ
5 years ago

Hi, Emanuel! When you said this:
“Thomas tells/calls on Maria to surrender the remote.”
were you trying to be funny? Said this way, it sounds dramatic or super high up, like government officials demanding a country hand over the remote/hostages. Does the German version sound normal? Or, is that one funny/dramatic, too?

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago

That is an interesting connection, “further”-“fordern”-“fördern”. But if I think about it, you can really use “nach vorne bringen” or “vorbringen” in all three instances (only with slight changes in tone). And the words sound all rather “förderlich”(“conducive”?, by which you get closer to a target). As a noun the compound begin “Förder-” comes to mind. Which would mostly be translated as “special” in English. Meaning it is something for people who have special demands. “Förderschule”, “Förderklasse” = “school/class for handicapped”. It is not often used to refer to the other special schools where the very talentented are further supported. For that “Spezial-” is used. (person243)

person243
person243
5 years ago
Reply to  Emanuel

That was a typo, I meant “voranbringen”. Sorry. Although “Ich bringe einen Wunsch/Begehren vor.” and “Ich fordere.” are kind of similar with “fordern” stronger. That sounds rather constructed though.

berlingrabers
berlingrabers
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Sounds like “Förder-” in the educational field corresponds to “remedial,” at least in U.S. usage. Although I think “special education” there is a broad enough term that it covers services for both disabled and advanced kids.

blehtine
blehtine
5 years ago

Hey Emanuel, I’m trying to find a WOTD from some time ago… It was a verb that can have a certain prefix but the trick was that same verb can have that same particle as it takes as a prefix as a preposition. With the preposition form one uses I think dativ and with the prefix form akkusativ, and I think the meaning of the word got emphasized in one of the forms. The problem is, I don’t remember what for word it was nor what it meant, and I would like to have a look on it again. Maybe you remember better than I do? Thanks :)

Anomenschkind
Anomenschkind
5 years ago

Na, du hattest doch deine Versprechung gemacht & gefolgt :)
Wie ist überfordern & überwältigen doch unterschiedlich denn?

julia germany (Ja, mein Familename ist Germany.)
julia germany (Ja, mein Familename ist Germany.)
5 years ago

Dude: I dig Joshua’s examples and translations. Even the Latin. And it’s a good idea to learn how the Millennials are using the language. :)
GREAT JOB, JOSHUA! Bring it on!

Joshua
Joshua
5 years ago

Thanks for the support Julia. It’s nice to feel appreciated for once :). Dude, and I gotta say… your name is unreal, man. You’re bound to become a movie star or model or something with a name like that. Julia Germany… bammmmmm!!

berlingrabers
berlingrabers
5 years ago

For “fordern” in the flood example, “claim” is the go-to in English: “The flood claimed three victims.”

Do you think “nurture” is too personal/intimate for “fördern” in examples like the one with the young artists?

berlingrabers
berlingrabers
5 years ago
Reply to  Emanuel

Hmm… “Nurture” tends to have a connotation of feeding/nourishing but is a little broader. It sounds kind of organic, I guess you could say – you provide the needs of someone or something so that it can grow and be healthy.

I think what I was thinking of was a previous church where I worked, whose motto was “Gott feiern, Familien fördern, [Stadtteil] segnen.” I was never sure how best to translate “fördern” there for our folks back home, and usually used “nurture.” In that case, to me, “promote” or something like that would have sounded too cold and maybe political.

Would it sound weird for a parent to say something like, “Als Vater/Mutter denke immer wieder darüber nach, wie ich meine Kinder fördern kann, damit sie ihr volles Potenzial erreichen”? Would it sound like you see your kids more as a project than as people you love?

Jake
Jake
5 years ago

Auffordern is stronger than bitten, right? Do the sentences below make sense, or how would you change them?

Thomas: “Schatz, würdest du mir bitte die Fernbedienung geben?” >> Thomas bittet Maria, ihm die Fernbedienung zu geben.

Thomas: “Schatz, gib mal bitte die Fernbedienung her!” >> Thomas fordert Maria auf, ihm die Fernbedienung zu geben.

Thomas: “Verdammt nochmal Maria, gib doch endlich die Scheiß-Fernbedienung her!” >> Thomas ____ Maria, ihm die Fernbedienung zu geben.

aoind
aoind
5 years ago

Hi Emanuel. If überfordern is being used to mean that the person is barely or just about coping then I would use the phrase “Maria struggles to cope with”. If she is actually failing to cope then I would go with “Maria is overwhelmed by”.

berlingrabers
berlingrabers
5 years ago
Reply to  aoind

Yeah, unter-/überfordern is one of those verb pairs that has made its way into my Denglisch. There’s not really a good succinct translation that gets the same idea across. “Overtaxed” or “overburdened” are OK for “überfordert”; for “unterfordert,” I don’t know if there’s anything more idiomatic than “not being challenged enough.”

berlingrabers
berlingrabers
5 years ago
Reply to  Emanuel

Oh, sure. “Over-” and “under-” can pretty much be stuck on whatever you want and the meaning will be clear.