Word of the Day – “fordern”

Hello everyone,

and welcome to our German Word of the Day. This time, we’ll have a look at the meaning of

fordern

 

And of course not only fordern but the whole family – nouns, prefix versions, nouns of prefix versions and its supportive, freckled brother.
So, let’s jump right in and take our German one step… ahem…  further

Further, fordern… hmmm.  I’m sure some of you got at least suspicious. And yes, the two are indeed related, just like other words with the idea of forward/ahead like before, forth and the German vor.
This idea of forward is also at the core of fordern, but while the English to further for instance, makes stuff move forward by… well… making it move forward, the German fordern does it CEO-style. It makes “stuff move forward” by telling people to do it :). Fordern demands.

Normally, people are not aware of this connection but it’s actually interesting how close the ideas bringing forth and demanding really are. It’s just a different angle.
Anyway, so yeah… fordern means to demand in the sense of someone demanding something be done. It’s quite strong and it sounds official and formal, which is also what separates it from verlangen, which can also mean to demand.

You can find fordern in a couple of more abstract contexts as well.

But the more literal use is the more common one, especially with the derived words.

We should note that Forderung is really only demand in sense of someone requesting something. Demand in contexts like “demand for oil” or something could be Bedarf or Nachfrage, depending on context.

Now, of course if you want to be taken seriously as a German verb you need to make sure that you have prefix versions, and fordern has its fair share.

Give us prefix versions!

First up, there’s anfordern. It’s only ever used in contexts of requesting documents, so it’s not really all that useful, but the noun definitely deserves a mention.

Next, we have auffordern and this one is REALLY common.
It’s basically the everyday brother of fordern. So it sounds less formal and it is way more immediate and direct. It’s easier to explain with the nouns, actually. A Forderung is basically like “We expect you to do this”, an Aufforderung is the direct command “Do this!”. So maybe we could think of it as directly and badly ask/tell to do”. You’ll definitely come across auffordern sooner or later.

Hmm… I wonder why.
Anyway, the next two, they’re kind of a couple, are also quite common: unterfordern and überfordern (prefix is inseparable).
And I think figuring out their meaning without any hints is a doable challenge. In fact, let’s give it a try :)

I’m sure you at least got the gist of it.

  • Joshua feels unchallenged (lit.: “under-demanded”) by his internship.
  • Maria’s sister is over-challenged/stretched too thin with 2 jobs, the 3 kids and the unicorn family.
    (what’s the best choice for “überfordert” here. I feel like mine don’t really fit… danke :)

And speaking of challenge, that brings us right to the next one. Herausfordern means to challenge and it’s actually really easy to make the connection. Just think of a knight knocking on the door of another knight’s castle being like:

Mount up, Sire. Come out and fight. There’s only room for one of us in this lady”.

Uh… I mean land.
But yeah “demanding that someone come out” is the literal meaning of herausfordern and that really isn’t too far from challenge.

Uuuuhm… veritable?!… what happened to good old echt and real? Who wrote the examples for today… the new intern! Joshua, why’d you write this? No one talks like that… … … …. what… …. …. to challenge the readers? Well, learning German is challenging enough, thank you very much! Leave your Latin at home next time, okay?
Gee, these millennial interns. Hey Josh, the rest of the examples were fine today, keep it up. Oh, and could you get me an almond Matcha Latté in here? Thank you!

All right, back to prefix versions of fordern. There’s one more we need to talk about: erfordern, and of course this can only mean one thing:  to he-mand. Get it? Get it?  He- er?  Not funny? Uhm… who wrote this joke? Joshu… okay, okay, I’ll stop.
Seriously, er is one of the haziest prefixes out there and we’ll talk about it in detail at some point. One thing about it is that it has some sort of epic-ness. Like… “er”-verbs tend to not bother with factual, mundane stuff. They’re a bit abstract and aloof and that’s basically what makes erfordern different from fordern. It’s less direct and the best translation is to require.

We could use fordern here, too, but that would sound way more direct. Like the app is putting the prompt “Allow me access to your photos” on our screen while with erfordern it’s a general statement about the app.
The most common context for erfordern is talking about “demands/requirements by reality” and you’ll usually see it in combination with words like patience, time, courage, empathy and so on.

All right.
So that’s fordern… it’s all about demands.
Let’s now take a look at its freckled brother… fördern.

fördern

And unlike fordern, fördern is actually about bringing something forward actively. Just like to further; the two even sound very similar.
But translations, they are not.
Fördern actually uses its core idea pretty broadly, and the actual translation depends on context.

The last one is definitely a free interpretation of the idea of bringing forth but I think it’s still visible. By the way, guess what the literal translation of promote is – “to move forward”. Mote is related to motion and move and pro, believe it or not, is a Latin brother or vor and for.
Now, the noun for promote is promotion. In context with advertisement the German word is Werbung. But the word for a promotion at work is Beförderung.

The be- does very little other than make fördern a bit more intense and focused. If I fördern Maria, then I’m just giving her help here and there. Little pushes. If I befördern her, I take her and move her up to a new position.
And that’s actually not limited to the job context. Unlike promote, befördern can be used for actual worldly moving of someone or something as well. It sounds a bit too stilted and technical for day-to-day conversation though, so you’ll mostly see it in writing.

And that’s it for today. This was our look at the meaning of fordern and fördern. They both are at their core about moving or bringing something forward in some way, but fordern does it by telling other people to do it, while fördern actually actively supports and pushes.
As always, if you have any questions about the usage or the grammar, or if you want to try out some examples, just leave me a comment.
I hope you liked it and see you next time.

** vocab **

fordern – demand (that something be done)
die Forderung – the demand (in sense of the verb)
der Bedarf, die Nachfrage – the demand (sense of need)

herausfordern zu – challenge
auffordern – directly ask
einfordern – demand that something you have been promised be given
anfordern – order, solicit, request (usually used for documents and such)
die Anforderung – the requirement (much more common than the verb)

erfordern – require
erforderlich – needed, required

fördern – support, push, nurture, mine
die Förderung – the support, the funding, the mining, production (for oil, gas)
befördern – move someone/something (formal), also: promote (job)
die Beförderung  – the promotion (job, transport, NOT ads)
die Beförderungsbedingungen – terms of service of public transport
das Förderband – conveyer belt

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aoind
aoind

Hi Emanuel. If überfordern is being used to mean that the person is barely or just about coping then I would use the phrase “Maria struggles to cope with”. If she is actually failing to cope then I would go with “Maria is overwhelmed by”.

berlingrabers
berlingrabers

Yeah, unter-/überfordern is one of those verb pairs that has made its way into my Denglisch. There’s not really a good succinct translation that gets the same idea across. “Overtaxed” or “overburdened” are OK for “überfordert”; for “unterfordert,” I don’t know if there’s anything more idiomatic than “not being challenged enough.”

Jake
Jake

Auffordern is stronger than bitten, right? Do the sentences below make sense, or how would you change them?

Thomas: “Schatz, würdest du mir bitte die Fernbedienung geben?” >> Thomas bittet Maria, ihm die Fernbedienung zu geben.

Thomas: “Schatz, gib mal bitte die Fernbedienung her!” >> Thomas fordert Maria auf, ihm die Fernbedienung zu geben.

Thomas: “Verdammt nochmal Maria, gib doch endlich die Scheiß-Fernbedienung her!” >> Thomas ____ Maria, ihm die Fernbedienung zu geben.

berlingrabers
berlingrabers

For “fordern” in the flood example, “claim” is the go-to in English: “The flood claimed three victims.”

Do you think “nurture” is too personal/intimate for “fördern” in examples like the one with the young artists?

julia germany (Ja, mein Familename ist Germany.)
julia germany (Ja, mein Familename ist Germany.)

Dude: I dig Joshua’s examples and translations. Even the Latin. And it’s a good idea to learn how the Millennials are using the language. :)
GREAT JOB, JOSHUA! Bring it on!

Joshua
Joshua

Thanks for the support Julia. It’s nice to feel appreciated for once :). Dude, and I gotta say… your name is unreal, man. You’re bound to become a movie star or model or something with a name like that. Julia Germany… bammmmmm!!

Anomenschkind
Anomenschkind

Na, du hattest doch deine Versprechung gemacht & gefolgt :)
Wie ist überfordern & überwältigen doch unterschiedlich denn?

blehtine
blehtine

Hey Emanuel, I’m trying to find a WOTD from some time ago… It was a verb that can have a certain prefix but the trick was that same verb can have that same particle as it takes as a prefix as a preposition. With the preposition form one uses I think dativ and with the prefix form akkusativ, and I think the meaning of the word got emphasized in one of the forms. The problem is, I don’t remember what for word it was nor what it meant, and I would like to have a look on it again. Maybe you remember better than I do? Thanks :)

Anonymous
Anonymous

That is an interesting connection, “further”-“fordern”-“fördern”. But if I think about it, you can really use “nach vorne bringen” or “vorbringen” in all three instances (only with slight changes in tone). And the words sound all rather “förderlich”(“conducive”?, by which you get closer to a target). As a noun the compound begin “Förder-” comes to mind. Which would mostly be translated as “special” in English. Meaning it is something for people who have special demands. “Förderschule”, “Förderklasse” = “school/class for handicapped”. It is not often used to refer to the other special schools where the very talentented are further supported. For that “Spezial-” is used. (person243)

berlingrabers
berlingrabers

Sounds like “Förder-” in the educational field corresponds to “remedial,” at least in U.S. usage. Although I think “special education” there is a broad enough term that it covers services for both disabled and advanced kids.

duuuudeZ
duuuudeZ

Hi, Emanuel! When you said this:
“Thomas tells/calls on Maria to surrender the remote.”
were you trying to be funny? Said this way, it sounds dramatic or super high up, like government officials demanding a country hand over the remote/hostages. Does the German version sound normal? Or, is that one funny/dramatic, too?

Brie
Brie

Great post! I have seen these verbs a lot and always found clarification tricky, so thanks so much for this post. I study religion and see the noun “Aufforderung” pop up a lot. What would be the meaning in a religious context and outside a religious context? Thanks!

Andreas Steinberg
Andreas Steinberg

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Anonymous
Anonymous

Das Öl von Fisch fördert Omega3 in körper

Warren
Warren

You weren’t happy with translating überfordern as “over-challenged/stretched too thin” when you characterized Maria’s poor sister, the one with the two jobs etc. If you ask me, I’d say she was OVERWHELMED.

Sanasi Lele
Sanasi Lele

Hello! I came across your blog piece just today and I must say I absolutely loved the explanation here. But I am still not clear with the ‘difference between die Förderung and die Unterstützung.’ Would be grateful if you could explain that as well.
Danke Ihnen !