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ChatGPT is saying Jene sounds stiff/formal/literary on its own, but when used in a pair with “diese,” it sounds natural. (“Diese Methode ist schneller, jene ist gründlicher.”) But it aaaalso kinda sounds like it’s making stuff up?
It’s still highbrow fancy shmancy.
Most people would say “Diese Methode blah und die andere bluh.”
i was just reading your advent calender article on “this that though”
and you made a comment:
The vibe is a bit like yonder, maybe.
that i guess i kind of didn’t think so deeply about the first time around but I had another look at it and i actually though maybe there actually is a link and there is
https://www.etymonline.com/word/yon#etymonline_v_4980
p.s. you could also link this entry to that article so others find it : )
Sorry for the frequent questions these days. Does jene always have something to do with distance? I’m thinking of its usage in poems like for example in Archaïscher Torso Apollos where Rilke writes “zu jener Mitte”. Can I extract more information here from “jener” (maybe spacial) other than its “pointing” function? Is the choice of “jener” here affected by the context provided by the other words in the sentence?
I think the best approach here is asking yourself how would “dieser” sound. And that would be too pointy and too “here”. And a normal “der” is too bland.
There’s no spatial distance here, it’s more of a “mental distance” maybe… your attention is being guided to something, and you go “ohhhh, that. I know that.”
Not sure if this helps at all :D
Thanks I think it does, jene can indeed feel like a more grandiose way of pointing at things which is perfect for poetry.