After some discussion about a side-sentence in a recent article, I used the search function to look for it. It took me pretty much here. However, I KNOW there is a lot more in the “Grammar Course” but I don’t know exactly where.
It would be great if the section/area that covers this was linked here. OR…<trommel rolle> a dedicated page about the concept. What is required to be an official side sentence (since ‘putting stuff at the end’ happens with other aspects of the German language). What is the smallest/easiest version? How to practice hearing them and following through on the ‘rhythm’ etc.
There’s not really any dedicated article about it on the site yet, that’s why there’s no link here. I think the most “detailed” coverage it has gotten so far was in the articles about present and past tense, which you have read already. I still have to make the “side sentence” article itself.
I re-re-read the Word Order part 3 last night looking for it. It is such a core thought of your box-order philosophy. It might be worth having it to point to for reference. For example, is “Ich weiss, wer Schlagzeug spielt” a proper side sentence? For me, it would be a good read to see many of the common subordinate clauses that trigger it (especially in increasing complexity).
For what it is worth, I think you are very patient and polite with some of the comments that you receive. In Part 3 there was a person who was challenging your over thought by using a 1000+ page text in which the commenter admitted he only read 1% of and was filled with completely non-matching descriptions “Centrifugal” “Centipedal” etc. There was another (seemingly novice) commenter arguing with you. Anyway, when I was reading this, I was getting upset FOR YOU. You were soooo cool and calm about it. That must be Internet-Celebrity Training 101.
Finally (I promise), as one who actually reads all that you have put up in those sections of the site, I have come across a few typos, missing words, and many places where the bold or italics don’t include every letter of the word (first or last are normal, and rest of the word has the alteration). What is the best way to point these out to make it easy for you to find them? I mean, there are a LOT of words and many of the example sentences are re-used. I which I had a digital highlighter. I really want the next person that reads it to have an even better experience than I had.
I’m generally trying to be patient in comments and take the commenters seriously, even if a part of me feels like they’re being dumb on purpose. You never know how someone else is thinking, so just because to me a line of thought seems idiotic, that doesn’t mean it is. Maybe I just don’t see the logic in it. And comment arguments escalate quickly, so I’m trying to keep things calm around here :).
As for side sentences… ANY subordinate clause is a side sentence. Length has nothing to do with it. What matters is that it’s an “integrated” sentence that fills one box in the sentence that contains it.
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After some discussion about a side-sentence in a recent article, I used the search function to look for it. It took me pretty much here. However, I KNOW there is a lot more in the “Grammar Course” but I don’t know exactly where.
It would be great if the section/area that covers this was linked here. OR…<trommel rolle> a dedicated page about the concept. What is required to be an official side sentence (since ‘putting stuff at the end’ happens with other aspects of the German language). What is the smallest/easiest version? How to practice hearing them and following through on the ‘rhythm’ etc.
There’s not really any dedicated article about it on the site yet, that’s why there’s no link here.
I think the most “detailed” coverage it has gotten so far was in the articles about present and past tense, which you have read already.
I still have to make the “side sentence” article itself.
I re-re-read the Word Order part 3 last night looking for it. It is such a core thought of your box-order philosophy. It might be worth having it to point to for reference.
For example, is “Ich weiss, wer Schlagzeug spielt” a proper side sentence? For me, it would be a good read to see many of the common subordinate clauses that trigger it (especially in increasing complexity).
For what it is worth, I think you are very patient and polite with some of the comments that you receive. In Part 3 there was a person who was challenging your over thought by using a 1000+ page text in which the commenter admitted he only read 1% of and was filled with completely non-matching descriptions “Centrifugal” “Centipedal” etc. There was another (seemingly novice) commenter arguing with you. Anyway, when I was reading this, I was getting upset FOR YOU. You were soooo cool and calm about it. That must be Internet-Celebrity Training 101.
Finally (I promise), as one who actually reads all that you have put up in those sections of the site, I have come across a few typos, missing words, and many places where the bold or italics don’t include every letter of the word (first or last are normal, and rest of the word has the alteration). What is the best way to point these out to make it easy for you to find them? I mean, there are a LOT of words and many of the example sentences are re-used. I which I had a digital highlighter. I really want the next person that reads it to have an even better experience than I had.
Ha, I don’t remember these comments at all :).
I’m generally trying to be patient in comments and take the commenters seriously, even if a part of me feels like they’re being dumb on purpose.
You never know how someone else is thinking, so just because to me a line of thought seems idiotic, that doesn’t mean it is. Maybe I just don’t see the logic in it.
And comment arguments escalate quickly, so I’m trying to keep things calm around here :).
As for side sentences… ANY subordinate clause is a side sentence. Length has nothing to do with it. What matters is that it’s an “integrated” sentence that fills one box in the sentence that contains it.