When to use “trotzdem” – The Quiz

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Hello everyone,

And welcome back to you German Word of the Day. And today, we’ll actually do a kind of recap session about

The meaning and use of “trotzdem”

Now some of you might be like “Wait, I feel like you have a lesson about that, right?”.
And yes, I do have a lesson about trotzdem and the differences to trotz and obwohl.

But it was already quite old and definitely needed a little do-over. I’ve done that recently and I also added a second proper learning quiz there.

But most of you were not going to see that, so I decided that this might actually make for a nice refresher episode, summer camp style :).

So, today I’ll give you a quick recap about trotzdem and its translations and then we’ll do a learning quiz where you have to say whether or not trotzdem would actually fit in a given context. And when I say learning quiz, I mean that each answer comes with a little explanation.

So if you’re ready, let’s jump right in.

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trotzdem, obwohl and trotz – A Quick overview

trotz, trotzdem and obwohl are the three main German words you need to express “despite-ness” between two actions, events or facts.
Basically, event 1 suggests or demands that event 2 should NOT happen, but event 2 happens.

  • Event 1: It’s pouring rain.
  • Event 2: I go for a run.
  • Event 1: The sign says “No parking here.”
  • Event 2: Thomas parks here.

Expressing relations like these in one sentence is a crucial puzzle piece of language, and something that is usually taught WAY TOO LATE, at least in German. That’s because most textbooks and courses consider it too “complicated” for beginners and much rather spend their time making people feel guilty about not getting the articles correct while teaching names of vegetables no one ever eats and body parts no one has.
I … I mean body parts no one uses. Like… the words for them.

But anyway, expressing the idea of despite-ness is something we do every day and most languages have multiple options to do it.

  • Despite the pouring rain, I go for a run.
  • It’s raining. I go for a run regardless.
  • Although it’s pouring rain, I go for a run.
  • It’s pouring rain, but I still go for a run.
  • It’s pouring rain. I go for a run anyway.

As you can see, all sentences express the same core idea, but they’re structurally different.

And that’s also the difference between trotz, trotzdem and obwohl. They express the same thing, but they’re different word types and hence function differently.

trotz is a preposition so it connects a noun and the direct counterpart in English in meaning as well as function is despite.

  • despite the rain
  • trotz des Regens
    (yes, it goes with Genitive now)

obwohl is what’s called a subordinating conjunction. Those are these little words that introduce a side-sentence and that make the verb go home to the end in German. The direct counterpart in English in meaning and function is although.

  • Ich gehe laufen, obwohl es sehr stark regnet.
  • I’m going for a run, although it’s raining very heavily.

And trotzdem is an adverb. Originally, it simply was a combination of the preposition trotz and the pronoun dem in Dative (which trotz used to go with back in the day). It simply fused into one word but functionally and in terms of meaning it pretty much means despite that.

  • Es regnet extrem doll. Trotzdem gehe ich laufen.
  • It’s raining extremely heavily. Despite that, I go for a run.

Cool.
So that’s the short overview of the three words and their functional counterparts.

  • trotz – despite
  • trotzdem – despite that
  • obwohl – although (even though)

These really are the sort of soul mate pairs. However, particularly trotzdem can be a translation for quite a lot of other words too.

The translations of “trotzdem”

When you look up trotzdem in a dictionary, you’ll get a whole bunch of translations:

  • still
  • yet
  • though
  • nonetheless
  • regardless
  • anyway
  • nevertheless

Some of them are just synonyms for despite that but others like still, yet or anyway have other meanings and do NOT always express this notion of “despite-ness” that we talked about earlier.

One approach to determine if trotzdem is the way to go to express something in German is to just try to paraphrase the sentence with despite that and see if the meaning changes.

  • Have you seen the movie yet?
  • Have you seen the movie despite that?

Here, the meaning changes, so the yet does NOT actually express “despite-ness”.

  • It’s raining and yet, I go for a run.
  • It’s raining and despite that I go for a run.

Here, the meaning doesn’t really change, so this would be a case for Captain Trotzdem in German.

But of course this replacement test is really just a crutch. What’s much better is to have a FEELING for this sense of despite-ness. And it’s not like this is something complicated to discover and develop. We all have it already because we all can express “despite-ness” and understand “despite-ness” in our mother tongue.
We don’t need to learn something new. We just need to raise our awareness.

And that’s what the goal of the exercise is today :).

When to use “trotzdem” – The Quiz

The core goal of this practice is that you “feel” this sense of despite-ness.

I’ll give you sentences in English that use one of the words from the previous section and you have to decide whether or not the statement could be expressed with trotzdem in German.

If you click the hint, you’ll get the German translation with a blank in the spot where the translation would be.

And for each answer, I’ll give you a short explanation about it AND I’ll give you the way to actually express the sentence in German if it’s not trotzdem.

That’s pretty much all you need to know, so now I’d say viel Spaß and viel Erfolg :)

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Und? Wie lief’s?
Let me know in the comments how you did and if you started to get a bit of a feeling for it. If not, don’t worry. Just do the exercise again and don’t focus on the words so much but on the vibe.
Of course, if you have any questions about any of the examples or about the topic in general, just ask in the comments and I’ll do my best to clear it up.
And if you want to read the other article about trotzdem and obwohl, you can find it here:

Word of the Day – “trotzdem”

I really hope you enjoyed this one.
Have a great week and see you next time.. probably with a huge improvement to the site ;).

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Samridhi
Samridhi

Thank you Emanuel and members who are helping people like me access this website with a free membership. I am really grateful, hope to learn well and practice a lot.

Nancy
Nancy

Bitte, why is außer dass two words?

xenarose
xenarose

Also I always think of trotzdem as translated as ‘nevertheless’ works much better.

Nancy
Nancy
Reply to  xenarose

I thought so too at first but ‘nevertheless’ seems to imply a much less direct contrast: Nevertheless I’m in love with you / Despite that I’m in love with you.

xenarose
xenarose

Got 100% for the 1st time on one of your quizzes! And after 5 years of lurking I became a Life Time Member today I’m currently in Kusel, Germany visiting my son and German daughter-in-law and they are looking to buy a house. Time to get more serious with my language learning. This trip it has been amazing how much better I can understand the signs and conversations!

Harald
Harald
Reply to  xenarose

Oh, good for you, xenarose!
Kusel is a charming little town in the Pfalz (“Palatinate” in English??) and is well known for one of our fabled folk songs “Ein Staedtchen liegt im Pfaelzerwald im Tal so wunderschoen.”.

As a music lover, Kusel is famous as the birthplace of the late, great tenor Fritz Wunderlich, taken from us too young.

coleussanctus
coleussanctus
Reply to  Harald

He had a beautiful voice. There must have been a lot of work that went into what he did, but he made it sound easy. I remember reading that he found more time to practice by just doing it wherever. In the garden, or when he was developing pictures, or something like that. I love his version of Die Schöne Müllerin.

Harald
Harald
Reply to  coleussanctus

Schubert, Mozart’s “Die Zauberfloete” etc… Little he couldn’t sing. Wagner performances I can’t recall.
He never forgot his hometown roots and Kusel was never far from his heart! Pity I’ve never been, yet it’s not that far from Dortmund by car.

coleussanctus
coleussanctus
Reply to  Harald

Yes, and also a great Nessun Dorma in German. Der Jahrhundert-Tenor aus der Pfalz, indeed. It would have been interesting to hear a lyrical voice like his in Wagner.

pmccann
pmccann

Team 10/10, albeit on the second attempt (a few days after the initial, raw, untutored 8/10). More importantly, the quiz felt more straightforward (ie, not “boobytrapped” at all) the second time through.

pmccann
pmccann
Reply to  Emanuel

Wie Geld auf dem Kondo…

Harald
Harald
Reply to  pmccann

…..oder im KontoLOL Ueber beides kann man sich freuen:-)

Phony Dr Peter, PhD
Phony Dr Peter, PhD

Way back, we learned ‘nichtsdestotrotz’ in school; despite that, don’t think I’ve ever heard it spoken nor seen it again.
I did read some thoughts below on ‘Zweifel’ – which when paired with a refined arrogance, yinyang us fwd in language learning.
Speaking of self-doubt, wildly off-topic, I am thinking of words ending in “fel” and can only think of two (die Tafel, die Kartoffel) that are f-gendered.
There must be more, though I am rather unsure.

Micky
Micky

I think my natural urge in a couple of these examples, and where appropriate, would be to use an “obwohl” version on translation—probably mentally trying to avoid the awkward sounding genitive. For example:

* Regardless of the hefty prices I would recommend the restaurant.

So instinctively I’d probably say “Obwohl die Preise heftig sind, ich würde das Restaurant empfehlen.”

BTW While not wrong, I think it’s much more common to begin a sentence with “Although…”. rather than “Though…” The latter sounds a little stuffy or pompous to my ear.

einfachzuschwer
einfachzuschwer

Trotzdem, Danke.
That`s usually how I use Trotzdem.

einfachzuschwer
einfachzuschwer
Reply to  Emanuel

Genau!

Harald
Harald

“Zum Trotz” = inspite of, despite, to spite

The preposition “trotz” used not as a noun but as a relationship word is normally used with the Genitive case, e.g. “Trotz seines schlechten Benehmens wurde das Kind von seiner Mutter nicht bestraft.”

“TrotzDEM” using the Dative reflects an older usage.

johnnybna
johnnybna

Endlich habe ich 10/10 gekriegt. Bestes Quiz aller Zeiten!

Jali
Jali

I just wanted to say a heartfelt thank you to everyone who made it possible for me to join this course. I’m from a country that currently faces financial and political restrictions, and I’m not able to pay, but thanks to your generosity, I now have access and can finally start learning German properly.
I’m truly grateful for the support and kindness of this community, it means a lot more than you might think.
Thank you, Emanuel, and thank you to everyone who contributed to help people like me.
You’re making a real difference.

Clement Camus
Clement Camus

9 out of 10!

I agree with you that trotzdem is taught too late: I was taught about it at the end of B1, while obwohl is usually taught at A2. It’s also easier to use since it’s an adverb.

I don’t remember the last time I used obwohl in German, nor although in English, nor its French equivalent in French (“malgré que” ou “bien que”), whereas I regularly use trotzdem in German, nevertheless in English and “quand même” or “cependant” in French.

stosselgg
stosselgg

Very useful exercise, thanks.

Elsa
Elsa

Hello,

Great recap and great quiz! Some typos:

and it’s translations” (and its translations)
“mothertongue” (mother tongue)

As for my result, I got 8 out of 10, but one was because I was distracted and said yes because there was despiteness, but trotzdem was wrong… duh…

But in Q8, the hint threw me, you have “Ich gebe mir echt Mühe, und ___ ich kann mir irgendwie keine Artikel merken. Now, would the use of trotzdem not entail ich and kann to swap places?

Bis bald!

Toranome
Toranome

Das war eine lange, schwierige Übung, aber trotzdem habe ich 100% geschafft!

Toranome
Toranome
Reply to  Emanuel

Dankeschön!

Gabriele
Gabriele

I’m using this website with the sponsor program, thanks to the people who donated and to the website owner, time to fight german grammar and conquer it

xv
xv

Trotz meiner Selbstzweifel, habe ich 10 von 10 gekriegt

Jeffrey
Jeffrey
Reply to  xv

Ich hatte auch einige Zweifel, und trotzdem habe ich auch 10/10 bekommen.

xv
xv
Reply to  Emanuel

Oje, die Kommasetzung ist immer noch ein Problem bei mir : )

Harald
Harald
Reply to  xv

Die Zeichensetzung ist sowieso anders in Deutsch als in Englisch. Die Kommata trennen in Deutsch nur eine grammatische Einheit des Satzes, eine Gedankenpause nicht.

Lass uns mal vergleichen:

“Your German pronunciation is good, however, you must improve your grammar!”

“Deine deutsche Aussprache ist gut, allerdings ist deine Grammatik verbesserungsfaehig!”

Harald
Harald
Reply to  xv

I assume you mean “Zweifel” here as doubts, is that right?
Not to nitpick, but Zweifel as a singular noun is masculine, therefore, “…..meines Zweifels” :-)

My apologies for correcting you!

xv
xv
Reply to  Harald

Hi Harald- I am very happy to be corrected. Trotz meiner Selbstzweifel, was intended as plural – I think actually originally meant to write in spite of my doubts and then changed it to self-doubt – I’m guessing Selbstzweifel sound wrong in plural when refering to oneself ?

Last edited 1 year ago by xv
Harald
Harald
Reply to  xv

Yes, that’s right! In German, as in English, we can obviously say/write “I have my doubtS” or for example,
“Ich habe meine Zweifel” and both are absolutely correct.
Again, my apologies for nitpicking. Typically German…..sometimes lol

Kaan
Kaan

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