
Hello everyone,
and welcome to another rendition of Grammar Jargon. As usual we will explain one grammatical term in “normal” words and today we will take on the question:
“What exactly are prepositions???”
I am sure you have heard the word before and you will probably be able to give some examples of prepositions in English. But could you tell precisely what they actually are? And if so could you tell whether before is one or not? If not you will be able after you’ve finished this article.
We will look at their function, their shared characteristics, we will compare German and English prepositions a bit and we will of course see why knowing about prepositions can be helpful.
So if you’re reading, let’s jump right in.
Prepositions play an essential role in many European languages and you will find some of them in the top 10 of the most frequently used words for English, French and German (those are the ones I checked). And prepositions are causing A LOT of trouble because they are hard to translate.
The correct translation depends pretty much only on context. One example:
- I am disappointed in you.
- Ich bin von dir enttäuscht.
That does not mean that von means in. Actually von does not mean in most of the time… only in this context it does. The fact that it is in in English gives little to no indication what the German construction will be. Why does it have to be that complicated? Of course because anything else would be boring… It would not? It would be awesome? Well, whatever… we need to deal with it as it is: MESSY.
When you learn a new language, don’t try to hard to find ONE translation for a preposition. German is especially hard because we have a large number of prepositions we frequently use. In French you can get very far with just de and à. Of course there are many more but you won’t need ’em as much.
So try to get the rough idea/ideas a preposition represents as opposed to writing one word in your vocabulary book. I consider myself fluent in English and yet I have huge issues finding the correct preposition at times. So be easy on yourself and do not despair. You will get the hang of it.
Anyway. What are prepositions?
The word itself suggests that it is something standing in front of something… PRE-positions… and yes: prepositions do that. But so do adjectives and articles in English and German.
Prepositions are actually just one subgroup of the so called adpositions. Those would be things that stand in front of and or behind stuff (if you wanne know more.. here is the Wikipedia-article but you MUST speak jargon for that one). So apparently the position is not the defining factor…. what all prepositions, postpositions, circumpositions, ontopoffositions and makesomemoreupositions have in common is: their function. On a side-note… I will continue to speak about PRE-positions but it is also valid for the “other-positions”.
The Function of prepositions
What prepositions do is expressing relations between things and or persons in or to the sentence. They work like your assistant movie director. You appear on the set and you have all the stuff that will play a role in your sentence hanging around… prepositions help you to organize them and express the relations between them and the story. This is easiest to understand in the local domain.
- The cup is on the table.
- The cup is under the table.
- The cup is above the table.
The prepositions are the only differences between those 3 sentences and they put table and cup in different relations to one another.
Often prepositions work together with the verb to convey whatever you are trying to say. In those cases it might not be immediately obvious that the relations between things or persons is expressed… but in a way it is.
- I go to the theater.
- I go behind the theater.
- I go around the theater.
My location relative to the theater is not fixed here but the preposition still gives you the idea how I am moving by relating the movement to go to theater.
Of course there are not only local prepositions. Another preposition-heavy domain is time.
- Thomas will stay till midnight.
- Maria has been waiting for an hour for him to leave.
I admit it is not very obvious which relations are expressed here. The actions are related to a point in time or a duration by the preposition. Different prepositions express different relation of an event or action in relation to time.
- I will go to London in 3 days.
- I will go to London for 3 days.
- I will go to London after 3 days.
Here we have the duration 3 days, and the prepositions relate my action to go to that duration. Now what about this one:
- Before I go to bed, I (usually) brush my teeth.
Seemingly before is relating something here and would thus be considered a preposition BUT …. I’ll pause to build some gravity…. BUT in this example before is relating 2 actions. We have 2 life action verbs here to go and to brush, 2 full sentences.
- I go to bed.
- I usually brush my teeth.
If 2 sentences are related and joined this is done by conjunctions. So the before in that example is NO preposition. A preposition is always followed by a thing or a person it refers to.
Besides time and place prepositions are used in … any other situation pretty much, basically whenever a relation of entities (persons or things) has to be expressed. Here are some more abstract examples.
- I am against this plan.
- Grammar is boring to a lot of people.
- Thomas had an argument with his girlfriend.
- Thomas had an argument about his girlfriend.
Recognizing prepositions
Now that we know the function let’s take a quick look at the characteristics all prepositions share and then we should be experts already.
All the examples so far suggest that prepositions are small words like of, to, from, by etc. That is not wrong but of course it is not the whole truth. Not all short words are prepositions but more importantly English also considers 2 or 3 word phrases a preposition as long as they do preposition-things… relating things, that is.
- Thomas had an argument next to his girlfriend.
- Thomas had an argument in front of his girlfriend.
- According to the examples Thomas argues a lot.
Me personally, I would disagree with this. To me the preposition in the last example is just to while I perceive according as a form of the verb to accord . What I kind of “hear” is:
- It accords to the examples that Thomas argues a lot.
This is probably because I am a German native speaker and German doesn’t really have 2 or 3 word prepositions. German prepositions are always just one word.
But English linguistics see it differently and … why not. Phrases like according to or as of are so fixed that they feel like one word.
Anyway, there is one thing all prepositions share besides the function: they don’t make sense all by themselves… or in other words… you can not answer a question just with a preposition… except for question asking for that preposition of course ;).
- Where do you place the cup?
- “On.“
- “Where is the car.”
- “Behind.“
Even if you know that it is parked behind the house, this doesn’t feel like a genuine thing to say. So this is actually a good way to determine whether something is a preposition or not. If whatever you need to categorize can stand alone or does work as answer, it is not a preposition. Let’s look at the word we have looked at before: before.
- I want to finish my work before lunch break.
- I have done that before.
The first before clearly is a preposition. It relates finishing work to lunch break. In the second sentence it stands alone and it still makes sense so the second before is NOT a preposition. It is a temporal adverb, that is a “name” for a point in time Other examples for those adverbs would be today or later.
So as already grazed a word can function as a preposition but it can also act as other word types. Preposition is thus a label for a word in action rather than the word itself.
Now you may say, that you don’t need to know the word type as long as you understand a word. That is of course true as long as you speak English but when you start to learn a foreign language, for example… hmmm… let’s say German, determining whether something is or is not a preposition can be very helpful.
German and English prepositions – a comparison
As we have learned, in English the same word or phrase can be a preposition at times and something else at others – what matters is the FUNCTION it has in the given situation. As already mentioned this is a bit different in German. You will mostly have different words for different functions. A nice example for this are wordpairs like hinten and hinter or unten and unter. Many students of German struggle to determine what the difference is, and the difference is the function… one of those words is a preposition and the other is the adverb… you can read more about this in this article.
This is why it is beneficial to know whether your English word is a preposition in your sentence or not. Let’s stick with the word before.
- Ich will meine Arbeit vor dem Mittagessen fertig machen.
- I want to finish my work before lunch.
- Ich habe das schon mal gemacht.
- I have done that before.
- Bevor ich schlafen gehe, putze ich mir die Zähne.
- Before I go to bed, I brush my teeth.
Before has to be translated differently depending on the function and if you were to mix something up it would sound really strange to the point where it is hard to understand.
You need to know/feel/understand the function to translate correctly.
Another special feature of German is that our prepositions really are ONLY ONE WORD. This is partly the reason why we seemingly have so many.
We do have many one word prepositions. But if you make a list of all phrases in English that serve as preposition you will have an equal number.
Same goes for French. Seemingly there are just à and de but as soon as you count all the 2 and 3 word phrases you wind up with just as many as in German. After all it wouldn’t make sense that one language would have way more ways to express relations as another.
German just has one word for each situation while English and French use combinations of words. Some real life examples:
- My Bentley is parked in front of my Ferrari.
- Mein Bentley ist vor meinem Ferrari geparkt.
- My diamond-studded cup is next to my other diamond-studded cup.
- Meine diamantenbesetzteTasse ist neben meiner anderen diamantenbesetzten Tasse.
Are prepositions really necessary?
Despite the important role prepositions play in organizing the stuff in your sentences, the answer to that question is a clear: NO. There are other ways to do the job and you don’t need to look at some ancient native American language for proof… with those you can prove way more puzzling theories…
Many European languages like Russian, Turkish or Finnish do in varying degree use another way to do the job. And what is this shining knight which could spare you all the prep-hassle?
Yeah it’s your favorite … cases. They do the same thing. Finnish has 6 location related cases. Using a case means adding a certain ending to a word. Let’s say we have cup and house and the relation is cup in house, English uses the preposition in. Finnish just adds an ending to house and that’s it. They say (in translation)
- Cup is housessa.
Another example… instead of with me they would say this:
- I am going to the movies… do you want to come me-lla ?
A language usually doesn’t exclusively rely on cases OR prepositions. Also Finnish has prepositions. Sometimes the same relation can be expressed in both ways. An example exists even in English.
- Maria‘s car is blue.
- The car of Maria is blue.
The s in the first sentence is sort of a Genitive case marker and Genitive indicates possession.. also in German.
So you can roughly say that the more cases a language has the less prepositions you will see.
But cases are not the only way to dodge prepositions. Technically you could invent a new verb for ANY movement… for example to gola is to go to and gota is go around and goni is to go in and so on…
- I gola library.
This would give you a huge vocabulary but as soon as you use a system and use the same endings for the same direction you will end up with something that is not so far from a preposition… the only difference is that it is written in one word with verb… kind of like these German compound verbs :)… so you see… cases, prepositions, new verbs… it is all sort of the same after all.
If you want to express millions of things you need a certain number of tools. How these tools look doesn’t matter… they just need to do the job.
And this concludes this Grammar Jargon section. Remember that prepositions express in what relation a thing or a person stands with the rest of the sentence.
They cannot solely answer a question. If a word you thought to be a preposition IS a valid answer,it will not be a preposition in that situation. Thus words in action can be prepositions,words in a dictionary can’t. A preposition is defined by what it does, not what it looks like.
If you have questions or you need me to clarify something, just leave me a comment.
I hope you liked it and see you next time.

I really loved it.
Just to add, in Azerbaijan, we form meanings via suffixes. If German is about prefixes, Azerbaijan (and Turkish) is about suffixes.
Just an example: elektrikləşdirdiklərimizdənsinizmi?
How we see it?
[elektrik] [-ləş] [-dir] [-dik] [-lər] [-imiz] [-dən] [-siniz] [-mi] ?
Literal translation: Are you the ones that we have electrified? (probably it means as a job. You can’t electrify a person, can you…? CAN YOU?)
Another example:
[Ev] – house
[-dəki] – at (location base, like zu hause)
[-lər] – plural form
[-ə] – simply dative case in German, lol.
To be honest… Azerbaijan and Turkish are as hard as German. English is somehow easier.
Hallihallo Emanuel, ich bin auf diesem Blog gelandet, weil ich etwas über “an” verstehen wollte. Ich kenne deinen Blog seit Langem und finde ihn immer sehr hilfreich, du erklärst oft Sachen, die man nicht in Bücher findet.
ich habe momentan Schwierigkeiten damit, manche Verben mit an zu verstehen: nicht alle aber zum Beispiel diese:
kratzen an + Dativ
ziehen an + Dativ
lecken an + Dativ
Alle diese drei Bespiele klingen für mich so unnatürlich, da ich mich da fragen würde:
1) was kratzt die Katze? die Tür –> Dann würde ich sagen “Die Katze kratzt die Tür”
2) was leckt der Hund? Meine Hand –> Der Hund leckt meine Hand.
Warum brauchen wir dann diese vermeintlich unnötig “an + Dativ” ?
Ich habe gesehen, dass es keine Blog Entry für “an” als Präposition gibt. Deswegen belästige ich dich hier in den Kommentare:
Hättest du vielleicht irgendwelchen Tipp für mich hier?
Also eine generelle Logik gibt es da nicht, da kommt viel auch einfach drauf an, was idiomatisch ist.
Aber ich würde sagen, es gibt eine Art Trend.
Und zwar:
In allen drei Beispielen klingt “an” weniger “komplett” und “involvierend”.
– Die Katze kratzt mich.
Das ist korrekt. Ich habe dann Schmerzen oder eine Verletzung. Auf jeden Fall bin ich “involviert”.
– Die Katze kratzt an der Tür.
Die Tür ist hier einfach ein (großes) Objekt, wo die Katze etwas daran aber nicht “damit” macht. Das Kratzen hat keinen echten Effekt für die Tür.
– Der Hund leckt meine Hand. … das geht, klingt aber nach “mehr”.
Hilft das ein bisschen?
Ja, natürlich hilft das! Ich muss vermutlich noch ein Gefühl dazu noch entwickeln aber das ist schon ein Ausgangspunkt. Du bist der Beste, danke :)
I was trying to find the reference to AB as a dative prep.? can you point me in the right direction please.
or am I confusing it with the prefix?
regarding typos
“ There are other ways to do the job and you don’t need to look at some ancient native American language for prove“
prove should really be proof.
thanks for your help.
What do you mean by “reference”?
“ab” is a Dative preposition, that’s correct.
The dictionary entry is:
1. off, separation
In the sense of separation
How useful: 4/5
2. starting from
In sense of location and time
More common for time in daily life when talking about a process starting in the future
DAT?
How useful: 4/5
3. downward
How useful: 4/5
Are all 3 Dative?
Oh, well, only the second one is really used as a preposition, so that’s Dative.
The other two are more like the ideas of the prefix and the prefix has no bearing on case.
Thanks that’s a relief because my guess was what you say, so perhaps I have learned a tiny bit!!
Hi Emanuel –
Ich kann mir immer noch nicht darüber klarwerden, wenn man “bei” gegen “mit” benuten soll. Zum beispiel, ich fühle mich hier, als ob beides in diesen Sätze stimmen könnten:
Wir saßen bei ihr auf dem Balkon, tranken Tee und aßen Kuchen.
Wir saßen mit ihr auf dem Balkon, tranken Tee und aßen Kuchen.
Liege ich falsch?
Vielen Dank!
Nein, du liegst nicht falsch.
Hier ist beides richtig und die Bedeutung ist im Prinzip ähnlich
“bei” -> sharing a space with someone
“mit” -> sharing an activity
That said:
The “wir” can be you and her or you and someone else, and the balcony owner might not even be there.
“Wir” is you and someone else, and you two are sitting with her (a third person) on the balcony.
“bei” ist der Ort, “mit” ist die Aktivität “sitzen”.
Ich glaube, ich mache da mal einen kleinen Post zu, aber ich hoffe, das hilft.
This website is a new resource that is aiding me quite well in my college German courses. Thank you to whomever is operating it! HOWEVER… I’m desperate to correct the English grammar in this article, if that would be okay.
I can send a fully corrected version your way if that would be okay? No funny business, this would be a free-of-charge service done by a neurotic English-linguist (myself) interested in making education more accessible via grammatical clarity. I will await a reply– no sense in me doing all that work if it isn’t welcome.
Thanks,
NL
Hi Noah, thanks a lot for the offer to help out!!
The fewer mistakes the better, so corrections are much appreciated.
However, I would much prefer it, if you could just list them in a comment, rather than sending me a corrected article.
All corrections that are in comments, I do put them in the article. If they’re coming per mail, then I usually end up not putting them in the article because when I do my mails I am not on my site and I am in a different headspace.
I speak from experience, there are multiple mails with corrections that I never ended up putting online.
That said, if you prefer sending a doc per mail very much, please do that!! You’re the one doing the work after all :). I promise I’ll not let it sit there!
One quick note…. if you correct the way I phrased something, please only do that, if it is incomprehensible without correction. I am not a native speaker and it is okay for me, if that shows here and there. I don’t want perfect English here, the little “weird phrasings” are part of the brand, so to speak and also, they make many people feel better about their imperfect German.
Danke :)
the sentence: ich empfehle, dass die Kannichen mehrere Stunden laufen zu lassen. = I recommend that you let the rabbits run for several hours.
why is there no preposition before “mehrere” as in “für mehrere Stunden” ?
You don’t need one when you indicate duration:
– Ich gehe 3 Stunden (lang) arbeiten.
– Ich bin 2 Tage in Berlin.
…
“für” also works in some phrasings, but the majority of the time it’s better to just use it “plain”.
Thank you very helpful!
Hi! I was wondering if you will be doing an article that discusses uses of “bei” – I could not find it. I tried my best to go through the different topics offered on the website.
I don’t have an article for “bei” specifically but I have one for “dabei” and one for “vorbei” and I do talk about “bei” there, too.
I’m surprised no one has asked about Wechselpräpositionen yet. I really feel like I’m never going to master them, regarding the choice of dative vs. accusative. I know there’s the rule about change of location vs. static location and stuff, and even how certain ones are always dative when discussing time, but that still leaves so many exceptions to the rule. Some of these prepositions (especially “an” and “in”) seem to take the dative or accusative at random depending on what verb they happened to be paired with. The only way I can think of to learn these is by rote memorization combined with an insane amount of exposure. Alas…is there any article in the depths of your blog that goes over strategies to understand Wechselpräpositionen in more detail?
Maybe not strategies, but there is an article about them :)
https://yourdailygerman.com/two-way-prepositions-explained/
Dankesehr!
Your diamond studded example was funny. I like it.
But constructively, this was a great article thank you! I am a beginner and I need to translate everything I see. You can imagine my confusion when I thought I could use a certain word as a preposition but turns out it was not quite right; I now know that I needed to understand their functions in relation to the translations. Basically, the last part of this post was very useful, thank you.
If you could also link this article to related learning pages for prepositions or verbs as mentioned, it would be helpful too.
Thanks!
Hey there! On the section “Are prepositions necessary?”,
you don’t need to look at some ancient native American language for “prove”
It should be “proof” as of noun. Hope any of this proofreading helps you! Haha
Thanks for the post. :) As curiosity and an ever-nagging native Finnish speaker, I think the Finnish example is not very illustrative though
Another example… instead of with me they would say this:
– I am going to the movies… do you want to come me-lla ?
I can’t see circumstances where I would use the adessive case when inviting someone like that. We would say something like “Olen menossa elokuviin. Haluatko tulla kanssani/mukaan?”, so we would use a postposition or a particle corresponding to mit or entlang or so there. However, elokuvIIN would then be something like INS Kino. If I understood your syntax correctly, “Do you want to come me-lla” would be something like “Haluatko tulla minulla” which then means pretty much like coming ON me, literally, like riding a horse or so
Finnish flashback, nice :). So even a language that doesn’t heavily rely on prepositions still offers lots of opportunity to pick the wrong phrasing. Thanks for these corrections. Kiitos palion.
Hi, I am wondering what the difference between ‘etwas beraten’ and ‘über etwas beraten’ is (in terms of their meaning) and what function the preposition ‘über’ serves. Could you help explain the difference and the purpose in using the preposition ‘über’ ?
Many thanks!
About “of” as a preposition –
This is something I’ve heard very often in Europe (probably because of direct French/Spanish/German translations?) but “the car of Maria” sounds very strange to me. Most often, possessives are marked by the ‘s marker (usable even for long and complex noun phrases), and “of” is used mainly for cumbersome noun phrases (“the citizens of New York, Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto” instead of “New York’s, Cleveland’s, Detroit’s and Toronto’s citizens”) or to add emphasis to either of the two parts. I would normally expect some form of emphasis such as “this car” rather than just “the car”.
This is, of course, completely skirting the argument about double possessives for human nouns – “this car of Maria’s” vs “this car of Maria” (“this car of mine” vs “this car of me”) :P
I’ll stop now – sorry for adding a comment about English on a German blog! :D
Oh don’t worry… this article is about prepositions in general so it’s fits in perfectly :)
One fun fact for English natives ant those interested:
“Before” used to be a preposition, as in “bring him before me”
I think that for non-German, non-English natives words typically recognized as prepositions (pr adverbs)are strikingly used to change the meaning of verbs, sometimes radically. To look, to look for, …to give, to give in….this is kind of a novelty, but not hard to handle, even though it is weird that the infinitive has to and the line between to look and looking is sometimes not clear. In German, this is taken to new complexities, with these words separating from the root verb sometimes, and coming before rather than after. Would you consider this usage, say, in aufgeben, to be a preposition, an adverb, a suffix or non of the above? As I say this is really much less difficult than knowing that auf is better that mit in one of the comments above, but still… Thanks
Well, I think I would call it a prefix but functionally the “auf” in “aufheben”, or any other separable prefix for that matter, is an adverb. They define the verb closer.
– Ich hebe das Buch auf.
– Ich hebe das Buch hoch
– Ich hebe das Buch über den Kopf.
“Auf” , “hoch” and “über den Kopf” all talk about where I lift the book to. “auf” is just super generic and vague. These adverb-verb combinations became so fixed that they kind of feel like a separate verb and German decided to write them as one in the dictionarym while English calls them phrasal verbs. But it’s very much the same stuff.
– I eat up.
– Ich esse auf.
And these sentences are not that different from these ones here:
– I eat quickly.
– ich esse schnell.
It’s just that “auf” (“up”) isn’t as independent as “schnell”.
Beautiful website. Very instructive! I loved the explanations that I could not find in my German course. Thank you so much! You cannot know how much you helped!
However (as an abusive human being) I need a bit more help :). I am so frustrated about prepositions. I got the difference between zu and ins.
But for example:
Why it is “ich gehe auf den Bus”, or “ich gehe auf der Toilette”. Why it is “ich gehe im Supermarkt” but “ich gehe auf der Post”.
I can put one million objects after the verb but do not know if I should put in or auf. There must be a rule or feeling behind that. Post-Kino-Toilette all have doors and Bank-Kino are both building but…I can write more…:))))
Many thanks
Phew that is a LARGE topic :)… I’m planning a mini-series on that but I still have a lot of other stuff to do before that so it’ll be a while. In a nutshell:
– use “in” whenever you can enter the place (buildings, busses, etc)
– use “zu” when you can’t enter (best examples are people) or you can but you don’t
And then there are a bunch of “special” locations like “Straße” or “Platz” or “Post” where you use “auf”. Those exception that you really have to learn, I guess. “Ich gehe auf den Bus” means that you climb on top of the bus though :)
I know this was really short but I hope it helps a bit anyway. This prepostion stuff will definitely take time. You just have to get used to it. So don’t fret over mistakes too much.
I have to say though, that “ich muss auf den Zug” is perfectly fine ;-)
Ok, trolling aside. “Ich muss auf den Zug” is a special, kind of colloquial construct. It implies that you are somewhat running late already and need to catch that train. This is dfinitely dialect, you would only encounter that in southern Germany.
Oh interesting :). To me it’s really only literally “on top of the train”. But I’m sure if I was in the South for two weeks it would be perfectly fine. These things sink in quickly.
Thank you so much for this site… so helpful! I just want to point out the difference between ‘amount’ and ‘number’ in English. Above you say “a large amount of prepositions”; that should really be ” a large number of prepositions” because you can separate ‘prepositions’ into individual units. If you were talking about water, say… or, time, you would use “amount”. Similarly, people often misuse ‘less’ and ‘fewer’. “Less” is used when speaking of something that can’t be divided into individual units… like water, for example. “Fewer” is used for things that can be so divided… like prepositons.
Anyway… thanks again for your site. I love it and have learned alot from you… it.
Awesome! Thank you so much :). One systematic mistake less… oh wait, fewer :D
Thanks for the nice feedback, too
I actually have a follow up question… does this also apply for the following sentence :
– But if you make a list of all phrases in English that serve as preposition you will have an equal number/amount.
I don’t know but number feels really odd to me (which says precisely nothing since I am not a native speaker)
it would be “have an equal number”… because you can tell one “phrase in English” from another. Saying “an equal amount” is like saying you have an equal number of water, for example. Z’at help?
It does. Danke :)
I agree with “have an equal number (of phrases)”. “Number/fewer” will address countable items. “Amount/less” will address measured items. The easy way to decide between “number/fewer” and “amount/less” is to see if one can put a number in front of it.
“I have one water” – sounds really bad -> amount
“I have some amount of water”
“I have one phrase” – sounds good -> number
“I have some number of phrases”
Also, see if you can form a question to inquire quantity:
“How much water” – good -> amount
“How many water” – bad
“How much phrases” – bad
“How many phrases” – good -> number
The only tricky situation occurs when there is some unit of measurement in the sentence. Units typically sound like indivisible things.
“I have one cup (of water).”
“How many cups (of water).”
“We have the same number of cups (of water).”
“I have fewer cups (of water) than you.”
But, when comparing measurements, it is correct to use “amount/less”, because we are not comparing the unit itself.
“I drank fewer than 8 cups of water today.” – Sounds OK, but the focus is on the cups
“I drank less than 8 cups of water today.” – Sounds correct, the focus is on the water.
“I spent fewer than 10 dollars today.” – Sounds wrong (at least to me), focus on the bank notes?
“I spent less than 10 dollars today.” – correct, focus on the money.
Wow, I didn’t think this comment would be so long.
Haha… that’s what I always think when I finish an article :D.
Vielen Dank für diese schöne Übersicht!
Hi, I have a question about “bei”
If you say “I can help you with your German” can you use ‘bei’?
For example: “Ich kann dir beim Deutsch helfen”, “Ich kann dir bei deinem Deutschen helfen” etc.
or would you say “Ich kann dir mit deinem Deutsch helfen”
I’m just confused as which preposition is used for such a sentence :/
Also if you don’t mind, I often get confused as to the prepositions used when describing someone “going to a university” as in to attend/physically go and so on.
Hi Miles, so “bei” is pretty widespread when it comes to being at activities. We could say
– beim “Verben” (beim Kühlschrank saubermachen, Fussball spielen,.. you name it)
The verbs are not really verbs but they’re nonified but it is the most basic nounifying German has to offer.
“Das Gehen”… this is like a verb in noun clothes.
“Der Gang” … this is truly a noun in its soul although it also comes from “gehen” and can mean the same as “das Gehen”.
Of course you can use “bei” with real nouns too, but that might sound a little odd sometimes.
“Mit” on the other hand is used for “real” nouns.
– mit den Hausaufgaben, Deutsch, Auto
So now let’s look at your example again:
– Ich kann dir beim Deutsch helfen.
– Ich kann dir mit deinem Deutsch helfen.
We are clearly connecting a real noun here… Deutsch… Deutsch is not an activity. So “mit” is the better choice.
– Ich kann dir beim Deutsch Lernen helfen.
Now we’re connecting a nounified activity…. das Lernen. Deutsch just modifies that. So now “bei” is the far better choice.
This is no rule but just a guideline and both versions are understandable and correct. It is just the usage.
As for going to university… this is a bit of an annoyance… I mean the grammar of course. So you can go
– zur Uni
– in die Uni
– an die Uni
and you can be
– in der Uni
– an der Uni
The “an” versions are talking generally about where you receive your education.
– Ich habe an der TU (Technical University Berlin) studiert.
However, it is “in Harvard, Oxford, Standford…” so city names rule out school names.
“zu” and “in” are both used to talk about the actual location. I think the “in” might have a little notion of actually being there hearing courses while the “zu” is really just the building and you go there because they are showing a movie or something. But in a lot of occasions “zu” and “in” are interchangeable and people use both.
Hope that helps :)
Thank you very much, it is much clearer now. The nuance between ‘disguised’ nouns and ‘bei’ is very interesting :]
Both above examples are really amazing. Thanks :-)
I have another doubt with ‘bei’ though.
Sometimes we need to use bei when we go to a location too, need’t we? For example,
Ich habe ein neues Konto bei der Sparkasse eröffnet.
Ich bin bei meiner Freundin gefahren.
(Please tell me if I am wrong here.)
Does bei relate to ‘receiving a service from a person’ or ‘having to do with a person and not with the place’?
Think of it as “with”. You use “bei” for a fixed location (not a destination) when the location is not enter-able. Main example are people.
– Ich bin bei Maria.
– I’m at Maria’s.
– Ich bin beim Chef.
– I’m at my boss’.
The example with the Sparkasse would work with “in” too but then it sounds like you want to stress that you were INSIDE the building while opening some account.
The other example is wrong because “fahren” needs a destination and those NEVER work with “bei”
I have a few questions about German prepositions. Why is it:
“Die Bedeutung von ‘word goes here’ auf Deutsch” rather than “Die Bedeutung von ‘word goes here’ im Deutsch”? Or “in der deutschen Sprache”?
Also, is “Wir gehen ins Kino” and “Wir gehen zum Kino” the same thing?
Last thing – Could you say “Wir gehen an das Kino”?
German prepositions are confusing me very much. Just with the several meanings of “to”, “by”, etc.
Oh prepositions… I really think it takes a life time to learn all situations. Even with my 15 years of more or less speaking English, I still frequently come to a point in speech when I think “hmmmmm… is it on or at or to?”
There is really not much sense to the use. Each preposition has a vague concept but the concepts overlap and sometimes you will have to use this one and at other maybe for you similar times you will have to use another one… no reason, it is just random.
That said, I have NO idea why it is “auf Deutsch” and not “in Deutsch”. I’ve ask in a discussion board but so far they hasn’t been an answer. However someone pointed out a similar question to me… it is more about situations when to use in and auf in context of languages… here is the link so you can be even more confused ;):
https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/1748/wann-kann-man-in-deutsch-und-wann-auf-deutsch-verwenden
Now, as for the Kino-question. That I can answer.
When you talk about locations in German there are 2 main sets of prepositions (and like 5 sets for special situations of course and then some random exceptions). I will only focus on direction here and not on origin and location.
So… if the place has a door, or in other words, if you enter the place you need to use in.
– Ich gehe ins Kino.
You will be inside the venue when you do that.
When the locations has no door (for instance a person), or you don’t enter it you need to use “zu”.
– Ich gehe zum Kino.
You will be in front of the cinema or at the cinema when you do that.Maybe to pick up someone who has watched a movie there.
“An” is rarely used in contexts where you talk about where you are going. One example would be this:
– Ich fahre ans Meer.
– I am going to the sea.
With a cinema it doesn’t really make sense. People would probably assume that you touch the cinema with your body or your hand.
This however, is perfect… grammatically that is.
– Ich uriniere ans Kino.
– I urinate at the walls of the cinema.
So… for many location or rather destinations zu and in work but in implies oyu enter whereas zu implies you just go there and stay outside. And for some things it doesn’t really make a difference and people use either based on personal preference:
– Ich gehe zu einer Austellung.
– Ich gehe in eine Ausstellung.
both mean
– I visit an exhibition.
Hope that helps. Don’t despair and don’t try to match all your own prepositions or locational cases onto one preposition for that is the path to the dark side :)
Your lessons are very appreciated and I just wanted to let you know that they have helped me a lot. I hope you keep making more because there are my of us who learn much from them.