“The Mystery of Rordr”
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Hallo Adventskalenderisten,
and welcome to the final stretch of the epic German Learning Calendar, door number 19.
And today, it’s time to get a little active, because behind the cryptic title that sounds like a name of a dwarf in a fantasy novel is actually a little quiz about one of the burning questions about German:
“r” or “dr” ?
Yeah… it’s so burning, many of you didn’t even have it :).
But you actually do have it, because it’s actually a common thing in spoken German and also a common mistake.
And I don’t want to talk about grammar today, or what’s a prefix and and what’s a da-word and what’s an adverb. It gets quite messy and none of this really matters, at least not for speaking properly.
What we’re trying today is to build some intuition for these things, because that’ll help us much more with sounding idiomatic than a bunch of rules.
So… many of you probably remember this from one or the other article here: German tends to be quite “explicit” when it comes to expressing location and spatial relations.
And one example is that German really likes to mark whether something has the role of a fixed location or of a destination. Or in other words, whether it answers to “at what place” or “to what place”.
This is for instance the core of using the two way prepositions, and it also shows up as a trend for how r-versions and dr-versions are used.
- an r-version tends to be about a destination
- a dr-version tends to be about a steady location
Let’s do an example with a cat and table
- Die Katze spring vom Tisch runter.
(The cat jumps down from the table.) - Die Katze liegt unter dem Tisch drunter.
(The cat lies under the table.)
Both these examples are spoken German, the second one would also work without “drunter” and it’s not even clear what drunter is in the second example… is it a da-word? Is it a prefix? Or is it just an adverb?
I think I am leaning toward the last option, but it really doesn’t matter for us because it is super theoretical.
What’s clear and intuitive is that in the first example we’re dealing with a destination the cat is jumping toward (down). And in the second example, we’re dealing with a steady location where the cat is currently… ah… residing.
And this kind of thinking is ALL you need for today’s quiz.
Please, again… I know your brain is getting a little anxious about what grammar it is looking at and what rules there are. And that’s fine. Your brain is doing its job.
But for this exercise, please just ignore it because we’ll try and let our intuition and common sense guide us.
I’ll give you a few examples and German and English and you’ll have to decide whether you need the r-version or the dr-version or if both make sense.
As you’ll see, the pairs are sometimes looking a little different. So there’s rauf and drauf, but rein and drin (not “drein”).
But yeah… try really to only focus on whether we’re talking about a fixed location or a destination.
7 questions in total… so, let’s jump right in!!
And? How did you do :)?
Let me know in the comments how you did and if you think you could build a bit of a “feel” for this stuff.
And of course you can also leave ALL the questions that might have come to your mind while reading and doing this. I’ll try my best to answer them all.
I hope you enjoyed this, have a great day, and I’ll see you tomorrow.
Oh and don’t forget to vote in the poll for the open day, if you haven’t yet. Here it is again. And yes, you can vote again if you want to, but please don’t:

Excellent! For the first time, I scored 100% on a quiz!! Das hilft! Danke noch mal, Emanuel!
Camille
That has cleared up something that was bugging me – danke!
6 / 7! yay! but I had to keep picturing the cat example. So it doesn’t come naturally …yet. I struggle with the dative and accusative articles also.
How much calories….. how many calories.
Just a little slip.
Merry Christmas
What if they’re too numerous to count :)?
Then you break the cookies so some calories fall out. Works for anything really. Diet companies hate this one trick!
Obviously I had this completely wrong. E.g. Ich komme drüber – I thought that was Ich komme da (location) + rüber (direction) and you could leave out the da, just like in English you could say I’ll come over or I’ll come over there.
Ha, no :).
“darüber” and “da rüber” are two different things :)
Vile Spaß!
Quiz was straightforward for me, in part because of the movement/location emphasis from the two-way prepositions. I too was afraid one might encounter a “both” answer but never saw one that tempted me enough to give in. Are there situations where both are idiomatic?
Yes, there are, but the verb needs to be “unclear” in whether it is a directed or stationary component.
Here’s an example where I talk about my pizza:
Here, “drauf” stresses the fact that they’re ON the pizza, while “rauf” stresses the fact that they’re PUT ON the pizza.
So in essence and practice, it’s the same.
7/8 Punkte! Woo hoo!
Happy to say that the quiz seemed almost too easy (7/7)! To be honest, the hardest part was getting over the suspicion that at least *one* of the answers had to be something like “both are idiomatic”. But then I remembered the hint at the start about how, errr, *anal* the German language is about the whole destination versus location thing, so I tightened my sphincter and made it through intact.
*anal* is the appropriate word for how German is about this stuff!
By the way… is there a word or phrase in English that would describe this lurking suspicion that something “can’t be so easy”? I don’t think there’s one in German, but it would be a nice word to have.
Unfortunately, as far as I can tell that’s also a gap that English suffers from (then again, my newly COVID-addled brain is functioning even worse that it feels… which is, in a word, yech…)
*than it feels. (I rest my case!)
Just so that this comment isn’t solely a pathetic attempt to save face, I’ll mention that I tripped over a somewhat odd book that I’ve had for a while, which lists “German Words for the Human Condition”, together with an explanation and a few notes about each entry. It didn’t reveal anything remarkable about the question under consideration in this thread, but there was the vaguely related word “Geheimgangsverlockung” (“secret+corridor+seduction”), said to mean “The conviction that all old, large houses must contain secret passages”. The fun part about this book is that I’m still not 100% certain whether it’s some, most, or *all* of the entries that are just made up solely for the fun of it. (Hey, compound-noun building is a popular sport amongst some German speakers, oder?). I strongly suspect it’s *all*, but something like “Fingerspitzentanz” (“Tiny triumphs of nimble-fingered dexterity”) does appear in odd places online, and “Gaststättenneueröffnungsuntergangsgewissheit” (“Total confidence that a newly opened restaurant is doomed to fail”) surely deserves wider currency, regardless!
Ha… At first I was like “Wow, that sounds like a neat little book.” but then I took a look and yes… I think they’re all made up.
And the current trend is away from compounds.
People do on occasion construct a new one, yes, but chances are increasing that when writing, we’ll break them with a hyphen at a position where we feel like “looks better that way”.
Aah, OK, no real surprise that they’re all ex nihilo. It’s actually a sweetly produced and typeset little book, published in Australia (but –shock! horror!– printed and bound in China), and manages to tie together enough gentle humour, literary references, and the occasional piece of silliness for silliness’ sake (“Überraschungspartyüberraschungsheuchelei” == “Feigning surprise at a surprise party”) to make it eminently, well…, glanceable ;-)
Ha… that’s a good one!!
Really useful.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some pop-author actually used that in ther early 2000s.
Wait, you’re having the bug right now?! Gute Besserung dann :)!!!
Thanks! Yeah, lost my covid virginity on Monday, and precious little fun has been had since then… Starke, ständige Kopfschmerzen, hohes Fieber, viel Husten, usw. Blrrk…. 0 stars out of 5. But starting to sense it lifting just a little now, which is something for the “good news” column.
Good to hear that!
Make sure to take it easy long enough, so no intense sports or anything.
I’ve heard quite a few stories where it dragged on for weeks in a mild form, basically lurking.
You do make me chuckle away!
Brilliant method, got me almost 100%. Do the written versions obey the same rule? Like “Ich gehe nicht heraus, es ist kalt daraus”?
Forget about this! It’s not a thing.
“rausgehen” is NOT “just” a shortened version of “heraus”. It is historically, but thinking that in writing you can just add “her” is wrong.
It would be “hinaus” if you want to be bookish. And “daraus” means “out of that”, not “outside”.
I did very poorly because in all my years of study I never heard of “r” words, except in “Horch were kommt von draußen rein” and I didn’t even know it was an “r” word, until now! I thought it was simply a matter of dialect.
wer kommt
Well, that’s kind of good actually, because if you get used to these things, your German will sound much better!
Wonderful and clear! Thanks!
Ich glaube ich gehe ____ .Ignoring the english “I think I’ll go inside” if we were to talk about “gehe” as “to walk”……”i will walk around inside” (i don’t know , like inside a large building for example) would “ich gehe drin” be an acceptable sentence? Like “ich gehe im Park” as opposed to “ich gehe in den Park”. I’m guessing “ich gehe drinnen um herum” would be the way to say it is “ich gehe drin” total wrong?
You’re right in theory, but in practice, “Ich gehe [fixed location].” is not idiomatic.
People would use “laufen” or “spazieren”. With “gehen”, you’d definitely expect some directionality.
That works,
ok cool thanks
Viiiiielen Dank!!!
What about “ Die Katze springt auf dem Tisch nauf” – rauf, drauf, und nauf? oder runter, drunter, nunter?
“nauf” is pretty much dialect for “rauf”, common in the South. Same for all n-versions, pretty much.
Still, it should be “auf den Tisch”
The quiz does not work. I tap on “start”, it gets highlighted and nothing happens (iPhone + Safari)
It’d be helpful if you could give some info about what device and browser you’re using, as the quiz does work for many other people.
Hi, iPhone 12 mini, iOS 16.1.2, Safari 6533.18.5 (from User Agent).
Thanks for the blog!
Thanks! I think I found the issue. My cache packages up script files and serves them after initial page load. And for some reason it ignored that I set jquery to be an exception.
It gets loaded now, but the phone might not actually pull all files from the server (browser cache).
Could you try again and let me know?
Works now, thanks a lot!
Same problem like Dmitri, but here Android v.12 with a Realme 7 5G phone
I think I fixed it but it might take a bit till the phone actually feels like loading the new files.
Could you try again and let me know?
I’m experiencing the same problem
The only quiz of your that I got 100% As my cat lies down on the ground DReaming.
Wow, that’s great. And a surprise. I thought this quiz was going to be difficult for the vast majority, but seems like people are doing great.
I got them all right by remembering that they correspond to the cases for wechselpraepositionen – drative and raccusative. :)
I think you were going for der Bach on #7. :)
Yup!
But now at least due to checking, I know that die Back is German for the forecastle of a ship
7 von 8 richtig – gut zum Üben!
I got them all right by following your rule. But, I still have no feel for it!