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This post is more of about a general theory as well as the terminology I use. I really recommend it but if you want to get to word-order right… there’s a mini-series about that. Here’s the link to part 1 :)
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Hello everyone,
and welcome to our German is Easy Learn German Online while reading titles that span over one line Course… ( get it? … one line is almost spelled like online… that was a joke by the way) .
Today, after a long looooong wait, it is time… for the first part of the mini series series on German sentence structure. Wohooooo….
And to do the matter justice this mini series will be a loosely connected compendium of impressionistic essays, poems, songs and one or 2 Haikus inspired by the topic…. what’s that? … Oh, you want like some rules? But why would you want rules? Can a rule help us understand the erratic path of a butterfly? Can a rule ever completely capture and produce the beautiful sound of small stream as it purls over mossy rocks? And aren’t there exceptions where there are rules just as there is fir… ok I’ll stop that… my whole point is: rules won’t cut it. It is not like you can put anything anywhere. When it comes to verbs there are some iron clad rules and in books you can find other rules too, like, say, indirect object – direct object or time-manner-place…. so what’s up with those? Well, try to see them more as a non-binding advice… just like the traffic lights here in Berl… wait, is that actually right?
In either case, German sentence structure and word order is a complex thing that needs a lot of gut feeling … so we’ll learn some rules in this mini series but also some more general ideas or characteristics that will help you determine which word can go where and why.
And to start this all of we will have a look at what I call:
The Box Model
The box model is a way of looking at language or a sentence in particular that helps you understand how those many many many many words are organized. It holds for many languages but for German it is particularly useful… so let’s dive right into it.
Breaking down a sentence
Let’s analyze a sentence and see what parts we can identify there…
Probably the most important and defining part of a sentence is the verb. Pretty much every sentence has one. Without a verb, a sentence is just a scenery, a set stage without anything happening.
- I coffee in the kitchen.
Here, the verb is missing and it is pretty boring.
The verb is so important because it represents what is happening, be it in our mind or the real world. Stuff happening, an action, is actually the main reason we talk. I think if there wasn’t ever anything going on we wouldn’t say very much. But luckily stuff happens all around us and verbs are the words for that. Theoretically, a language without verbs is possible.
- I cup on the table.
However, the reality is full of action and flow and this non-verb-language just doesn’t do that justice at all and I actually don’t think there is a language that doesn’t have the concept of verbs. If you know of one, let me know.
German is especially verb-focused by the way, verbs govern everything in German but we will get to that later on.
So… a sentence will always have a verb. Now what about this?
- Thomas has been reading
There are 3 words in there that are all verbs but there is only one thing going on: reading. So to avoid confusion let’s call reading an action and modify the claim of before… every sentence has an action which is represented by one or more verbs.
Now, in physics they say “no movement without mass”… which sound an awful lot like a completely unrelated phenomenon called “much mass without movement“… luckily we won’t have to deal with that until beach season… anyway, no mass without movement (or momentum) can be applied to language too. So far we have an action which in an abstract sense can be seen as movement. Now we need something that is moving or that has the momentum and this something is called the subject. Is the subject as important as the verb? No. There are many languages that do fine without having a subject in every sentence. Italian for instance. They just say
- Rains. instead of
- It rains.
And what is this it after all? Can you show me it? Describe it? In German and English we just have to say it because grammar compels us to have a subject in our sentence. In every sentence? Yes, absolutely… safe for the exceptions :).
So … our 2 basic constitti… contesttua… uh our 2 basic parts of a sentence are an action and the one doing this action, the subject.
Every sentence in German will contain those 2 things. For your convenience those parts are marked with colors in the following fictional example.
- Ich lese abends oft in der Küche ein Buch über Pferde.
- In the evenings, I often read a book about horses in the kitchen.
So…what’s with all the other stuff?
Besides the mandatory subject and action, we can put additional pieces of information into our sentence. It can be information about time or place or manner or circumstances or duration and so on…
Depending on the action there is information you must add, you may add and you can’t add.
- I slept.
This doesn’t require me to say more. I can add time-information or place information or others… if I feel like it.
- Last night, I slept.
- Last night, I slept in my bed.
Here is an example for something you can’t add.
- I slept my book…. is nonsense.
For other verbs, this very information is a mustache… oh… I mean must have.
- I give.
This doesn’t feel complete yet so here we need to add 2 pieces of info.
- I give you a book.
All right… now each piece of information is BY NATURE the answer to one specific question. Those can be obvious questions like when or where but also really specific ones like despite what fact? Actually the way the parts look in a sentence is exactly the way you would answer the respective direct question. Behold…
- “I gave.”
“What?”
“A kiss…“
“To whom?”
“My girlfriend…”
“When?”
“Yesterday morning…”
I can take all those answers and just use them to build a sentence… like Lego.
- Yesterday morning, I gave my girlfriend a chocolate bar.
Now… all these pieces of information were very short. But it works for long ones just the same way.
- “I fell asleep.”
“When?”
“While learning German.”
“Where?”
“In that my new kick ass comfy armchair.”
“Why?”
“Because I was tremendously tired from a long days work.”
And again, I can just take the answer to the question and put it into my initial sentence.
- While learning German I fell asleep in my kick ass comfy new armchair because I was tremendously tired from a long days work.
I did NOT change the word order or anything… I just stuck it in there without much thought. What’s that, you ask?… Oh… no, I don’t know if that’s what he said, sorry.
Anyway, let’s do it again with an even longer …. piece… of information… my god, is it just me or has the quality been going dow… uhm decreasing… anyway, back to the example.
- “I slept.”
“When?”
“During the second half of the lecture that introduced the German case system to us and that was by far the most boring lecture I have seen so far in my entire career as a student.”
And just as before you can just use the answer to build a whole sentence
- During the second…. as a student, I slept.
- I slept during the second…. as a student.
Now, that during-chunk is a pretty elaborate answer giving all kinds of background information about the lecture and myself. Does this really qualify as one piece of information answering only one question as I claimed before? Yes. Sure, it is also implicitly answering where and why I slept but those are nothing but assumptions. Maybe I was at home and slept while my friend was in that very lecture, which I then saw later on Youtube (hence my judgment) and my sleeping at the time had nothing to do with the lecture. We cannot know where I slept or why for fact. The way the whole chunk is phrased or more precisely the introductory word during makes it a valid answer to when and only to when?… not where, not even how long? And that is what matters… this whole massive block is one time information stuffed with additional things that do not concern the main action (sleeping) explicitly. We could replace the whole thing with at that time… not just a part but everything together.
- I slep at that time.
We cannot just replace parts of the sentence with at that time.
- I slept at that time that was by far the most boring….
- I slept at that time that introduced the German….
- I slept at that time I have seen in my entire….
It doesn’t really work. From the perspective of the main action (sleeping) the whole during-chunk is one unbreakable unit and all the information therein is second level info that is not directly connected to the main sentence…. it is like a box labeled with when?.
The box model
What we have discovered so far is that a sentence can be seen as being comprised of one or more verbs representing one action and a bunch of boxes that each contain the answer to one question that could be asked about that action. Even the subject of the sentence is such a box. A box labeled who?.
Those boxes can contain all kinds of things. So far we have seen boxes containing just words
- Last night I slept.
or a dependent sentence
- I slept because I was tired.
but it can also contain other constructions like –ing-things or to-things.
- Doing my homework I fell asleep.
- I tried to call you.
The to call you-part is a box answering to what?. Grammatically it has the very same function as salmon would have
- I tried salmon.
Don’t believe me? Well, the following sentence could be a replacement for either example.
- I tried it.
Note that is not so important to know what the box is answering to but rather where it ends. Let’s analyze 2 sentences using the box model. please ignore my inconsistent use of colors.
- Last night, I slept in my chair because I was tremendously tired.
- [When?], [who?] action [where?][why?]
- Yesterday morning, for reasons I don’t want to discuss in detail, I gave my brother a book although I would have needed it.
- [When], [why] [who] action [whom?][what?][despite what fact?]
- A few days ago I was planning on going to the gym because I had realized that I had gained weight.
- [When], [who] action [planning on what] [why].
Anything inside those sentence except for the action-words themselves is part of some box. In the second example, the whom-box is not just brother but my brother and the despite-box is also the whole thing.
Now you might be like… oh great, now I have to worry about identifying boxes, how does that help me?
Well… the box metaphor has 3 main advantages. Firstly … a box is solid and so are the units in the sentence. You can only move or replace them as a whole chunk and you cannot split them with parts of other boxes.
- Yesterday evening, Jim’s girlfriend made him an incredibly tasty vegetable dish because he was very hungry.
I cannot say
- Yesterday evening Jim’s girlfriend made him an incredibly tasty because he was very hungry vegetable dish.
I have broken a box with another box and that is not possible… never!
The second reason why box is a good metaphor is that we can close it. You can carry boxes for a friend who is moving to a new flat without knowing what’s inside.
This is important because the content of a box will NEVER affect the order of other boxes in the sentence let alone the words in those boxes. Whether there is one word in the box or a whole paragraph with a whole lot of second and third level info doesn’t matter from the perspective of the main sentence.
- I am going to eat a pasta dish in the kitchen now.
- I am going to eat a pasta dish in the kitchen after having finished watching the romantic comedy that my friend who works at this movie -company recommended to me despite her knowing that romantic comedies are not exactly my favorite genre.
The main sentence, the main action is that I am going to eat. All the stuff in the when-box is second level info. We could have just said after the movie and the listener would still know when I am going to eat. But I decided to squeeze more info in there… I mean why not. However, if my main message had been the stuff about the comedy I would have phrased things differently, probably without the whole eating part. The main sentence is
- I am going to eat [when?].
and the exact content of the when-box is of no grammatical consequence to it. So… box-content doesn’t really matter grammatically.
The third reason for thinking of boxes is that you can use them to move lots of stuff easily and conveniently. In our example the time information is the last info but we could also put it in the beginning.
- I am going to eat a pasta dish in the kitchen now.
- Now I am going to eat a pasta dish in the kitchen.
Well, that was easy. We just moved one word. But what about the other example? There are a lot of words to move. The good news is we’ll just close the box, move it and then reopen it. We don’t have to touch a single word inside. We just move the whole chunk….
- After having finished watching…. favorite genre, I am going to eat a pasta dish in the kitchen.
So … to sum it all up
- Boxes contain information that answers exactly one question of interest for the main action.
- It depends on the main action which boxes can be there, which must be there and which ones don’t make sense.
- A box cannot be split up.
- Boxes can contain a single word or several layered minor sentences. All additional information inside a box about other stuff in the same box has NOTHING to do grammatically with the main action. The main sentence doesn’t care what exactly is in a box.
- Boxes can be moved as a whole. You don’t have to touch anything inside. Just move the whole thing.
Now, no model is ever perfect… except for Heidi Klum of course ( I am kidding)… so when it comes to certain adverbs and especially the German particles it kind of doesn’t apply… the thing is that you cannot ask for particles. There is no question to which schon could be a valid answer. So I suggest we just look at particles as part of the action so they are not part of a box.
All this is pretty universal I think… I am not sure though. But it definitely does apply to German… and it is tremendously helpful to understanding complex sentences or changing the order of things in a sentence… and boy oh boy I tell you… German is REALLY flexible right there… like has been taking Yoga lessons for centuries. What’s that you say? English is flexible too? Well…
- To you I say…
If you think having the indirect object first is crazy… well Germans do that for breakfast :). I will use the last part of this to show you the full scope of:
German Sentence Structure Madness
What you’re about to see might scare you. Meet a moderately complex sentence… its name is Frederick* (*name changed for privacy reasons)
- Obwohl Thomas seit ein paar Tagen eine schlimme Erkältung hat, war er gestern mit einer Freundin, die er aus der Schule kennt, schwimmen.
- Although he has had a bad cold for a few days now, Thomas went swimming with a friend whom he knows from school yesterday.
First let’s break this down into parts…
- [despite what fact] action part 1 [who] [when] [with whom] action left overs.
- [Despite what fact] [who] action [with whom] [when].
Now, here are a few German options that also work… just a different order of boxes…. no words are added, altered or left out.
- Thomas war gestern mit einer Freundin, die … kennt, schwimmen, obwohl … Erkältung hat.
- Gestern war Thomas mit einer Freundin, die… kennt, schwimmen, obwohl er…. hat.
- Mit einer Freundin, die… kennt, war Thomas gestern, obwohl… hat, schwimmen.
This is not all… but notice that you have to change NOTHING in the chunks. Many people learning German keep splitting boxes and rearranging box content when they try to change box order. It is NOT necessary. Just pretend to move a wooden box from one place to another place and you will get it right.
So where were we… ah yeah… the options. So here they are. The ones in parantu… parana.. in those things “()” sound off while not being entirely wrong…
You can just insert the building blocks from the original example to get a 100% correct sentence without worrying about verb position and stuff like that.
- ([when] war [who] [with whom] [despite what fact] schwimmen.)
- [when] war [who] [despite what fact] [with whom] schwimmen.
- [who] war [when][despite what fact][with whom] schwimmen.
- [who] war [when][with whom][despite what fact] schwimmen.
- [who] war [with whom][when][despite what fact] schwimmen.
- ([who] war [with whom][despite what fact][when] schwimmen.)
- [who] war [despite what fact][when][with whom] schwimmen.
Crazy German… 7 different ways of structure…hold on… I think there are some more…
- [despite] war [who] [when] [with whom] schwimmen.
- [despite] war [who] [with whom] [when] schwimmen.
- [with whom] war [who][despite][when] schwimmen.
- [with whom] war [who][when][despite] schwimmen.
Wow… this is impressive. It is so many that I c.. oh wait… there are more.
- [who] war [when][with whom] schwimmen, [despite].
- [who] war [with whom][when] schwimmen, [despite].
- [when] war [who] [with whom] schwimmen, [despite].
- [with whom] war [who][when] schwimmen, [despite]
So… quite a lo… oh this just in: in theater speech there is even morerer….
- (Schwimmen war [who][when][with whom][despite].)
- ((Schwimmen war [who][with whom][when][despite].))
- (((Schwimmen war [when][with whom][who][despite].)))
- ((((Schwimmen war [despite][who][when][with whom].))))
I… I think that’s it… a total of about 12 feasible version (not counting the off-ones) and mind you… those are NOT all possible combinations. Some combinations are grammatically wrong and thus not listed.
So… this example, which by the way I spent half an hour on and which I will never do again, shows 2 things: there are patterns visible .. clear as a crystal and they have to do with the verb. And there is no such thing as this one simply rule like time-manner-place that could adequately explain this onslaught of versions.
Anyway… I figure you might be a bit tired… I certainly am so we’ll call that a day here.
What we’ve learned today is that a sentence basically consists of a representation of the action, that is some verbs and certain adverbs and particles, and a bunch of pieces of information, each of which answering to one question. Some are optional, some mandatory and some nonsense but that depends on the action.
In the following posts we will first have a look at sentence types and then try to find some guidelines which box orders work and which don’t.
If you have any questions just leave me a comment. I hope you liked it and see you next time.
Sometimes rule help. When I was a callow youth beginning high school, I intended to study German. Because the the BIg War that had broken out, and Nazis were highly unpopular, our high school decided to drop the German class so i opted for Spanish instead. But one day, sniffing about in a used book store I found a book called: Beginning German and I thought. who needs a teacher? This looks simple enough. It began: Karl ist ein Junge. Anna ist ein Mädchen, and so on. Wow, that looked so easy. Unfortunately I missed the importance of der, die, das and the accusative, etc. and it really messed me up for a long time later on. I guess after all, a teacher would have been helpful. Now with German is Easy, I can’t go wrong.
So.. Could you just tell if the below statements are all grammatically correct.. And also which one is actually used most often..
Heute ist der Verkehr sehr stark
Der Verkehr ist heute sehr stark
Der Verkehr heute ist sehr stark
Und danke sehr für diesen schönen Artikel.. :)
They are all correct and equally likely I’d say…
Just based on my personal feelings here is when I would use which:
1) When the consequence of traffic is going to be said AFTER this sentence.
Heute ist der Verkehr sehr stark und deshalb komme ich vermutlich zu spät.
or:
pointing out that the traffic is especially dense TODAY as opposed to other days.
2) this is totally neutral… you could use it just to acknowledge that very fact without expression any particular feeling towards it.
3) hard to say… here heute is not its own box but it is part of the who-box. It can’t be the when box because if it were it would be on position number 2 and that’s where the verb is so every German will perceive it as part of the subject. I don’t think there is a particular situation for this way of phrasing it but it is slightly more interesting that way because you get the same information across while not using the boring [who] action [when] [what] template.
And also, since it is not its own box, heute is less important in that sentence which might be appropriate. Unless it is the HEUTE as opposed to yesterday it really is kind of useless to have it in an own box.
zuviele englische erklärung… mehr deutsche beispiele bitte
Ich weiß; ich hab Englisch gewählt damit man erst mal das System sieht ohne zu denken, dass das was spezifisch Deutsches ist. Die nächsten Artikel haben dann wieder Deutsche Beispiele.
It’s his blog, he can do as he pleases. Or not at all!
Haha… thanks for speaking up. It was a pretty English only post though so I can understand the critique. I will not change it though :)
Man I just have to say that your blog is AMAZING :D I just have skimmed a little over it, but some entries have already explained me things I had doubts with, in a way that makes so much sense. Really, THANK YOU! I just have one request, could you PLEASE explain when to use “wann” or “wenn” when you want to say when (like right now haha). That really is something that I still don’t understand and I would reaaaaally appreciate it if you could explain it. Keep it up with the amazing blog! I will start reading it since the beginning and follow its updates from now on!
Oh yes, I will do that… I have already explained als, wenn, ob and falls and wann is still missing but I’ll do it soon and then also do a complete overview about if/when vs German… it is not that complicated so don’t worry :)
I just thought the part about languages without verbs was very interesting. While I can’t think of a language that has no verbs at all, I know for a fact that in Arabic, there are no linking verbs (there is no verb form for “to be”, at least not in the present tense). The linking verb is always implied by the sentence structure.
For example, to say “I am smart”, you would literally say “I smart”. Action verbs exist in Arabic (and I can’t think of anything that’s special about them).
But that’s enough of Arabic on a German language blog :). I just thought the concept of languages without verbs was interesting enough to share.
Please keep up the great work!
This is really interesting in fact… I came across that phenomenon while doing my research for the article. The offcial name is “zero copula”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_copula
and it exists in quite a number of languages… the Wikipedia article has some examples for English too, though it is not as prevelant as in Arabic I guess.
Then I thought about whether there is such thing in German but it feels really strange to me to leave it away… except for this:
Alles klar? Alles ok? Alles gut?
Anyway… do you know whether it would sound wrong if I actually said the “am” in Arabic? Or is it just longer than it needs to be? And if you are a native speaker of Arabic, was it difficult for you to actually put it in in English?
I have problems leaving the subject in Italian :)
Thanks for the interesting link!
as for saying the “am” in that sentence, I don’t think it is even linguistically possible (the verb does not exist in the present form AFAIK). Only in the past and future tense can you use the “to be” verbs (because, as the wiki article states, those verbs exist in those tenses).
I learned English when I was so young that I don’t think I had problems putting the “am” in English… But learning DIFFERENT languages (with quirky stuff like this) is definitely an exciting thing (I have Japanese on my list after Deutsch because of it’s weird grammar).
Easter egg: in Arabic, nouns can be singular, DUAL, and plural ( a dual form for when there are two objects, and a plural form for when there are three or more objects)! Languages are fun!
Good luck with learning Italian :)
also, formal Arabic and informal or colloquial Arabic are actually surprisingly different. It’s called a diglossia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diglossia
In general, people don’t use formal Arabic “on the fly” (it’s hard to make it up in a conversation), and they use informal instead. But in writing, only formal is used (writing in informal would look hilarious, maybe just like how simple past German verbs would sound in a conversation)
:D
Oh wow, thanks for all this insight… Arabic certainly doesn’t sound like an easy language to learn for me :) ( I like the writing though, such a beautiful alphabet).
I don’t really like disglossia, I guess… at least not the Italian way. I found it really frustrating that it is SOOOO dependent on the region how people talk and Italian is full of figurative speech that you can’t really guess from context but you’d need to know the saying
I really like the writing though, so I might just look at least into the alphabet at some point. I did do a short attempt at learning Japanese but I stopped once I had realized that I actually would be able to learn the alphabet rather quickly.
I have another question about Arabic if you don’t mind… I am intruiged
… how would Arabic deal with a sentence that features to be and another action verb. Like this very very uncreative sentence…
I am tired and have a car.
Would that be
I tired and have a car.
or
I tired have a car.
and also, is there another verb for to be in sense of location or would it be:
I central station.
Thanks a lot in advance
well, I would think that Arabic is one of the hardest languages to learn (mainly because of its grammar). Speaking grammatically correct formal Arabic is so difficult that only the most educated people (who study Arabic extensively) can speak it correctly. The grammar is so complicated that every word would be pronounced differently depending on its grammatical function (for example, noun vs. prepositional object vs. direct object sound different).
but anyways, you can simply use a conjunction like “and” (which is a one-lettered conjunction) for the example sentence you have. “I [am] tired AND have a car”. (am is simply implied here).
also, we use prepositions to indicated location (just like in English). “I [am] in Central Station”…
yeah, but the alphabet looks nice (the great thing is that there are SOOOOOO many different “fonts” that look different from each other). But it’s always cursive btw…
languages are fun! Maybe one day, if I study Arabic well, I can start a blog similar to yours! :D
Haha yes you probably should start a blog because I am sure a lot of people have A LOT of questions about Arabic… thanks for your insights and now I am even more convinced that German indeed is easy :)
Du hast “Freunding” geschrieben in unten genannten Satz:
Obwohl Thomas seit ein paar Tagen eine schlimme Erkältung hat, war er gestern mit einer Freunding, die er aus der Schule kennt schwimmen.
Ich weiß nicht ob es ein Tippfehler ist oder dass es wirkklich so gemeint war (hört sich auf jeden Fall lustig an ^^) aber ich wollte dir einfach mal drauf achten :)
Oh das ist ein Tippfehler, danke :)…. aber es klingt wirklich lustig.
der letzte Satz von dir sollte sein:
“aber ich wollte dich einfach mal drauf aufmerksam machen”
Great article. Very interesting. thanks !
Would you answer a question for me please ? It’s about the gender of a German noun not matching the biological gender of the person it refers to, if that’s ever possible.
For example, nationalities are masculine. So what happens when referring to Der Britischer when she’s a woman ?
I can say “Die Frau ist hier. Ja, sie ist hier”. The pronoun matches the gender of the noun.
I can also say “Der Britischer ist hier. Ja, er ist hier”, The pronoun matches.
Would I still say “er” if Der Britischer is clearly a woman, or should I refer to her as “Die Britisherin ist hier. Ja, sie is hier” ??
thanks for any help – I’m still trying to get my head round German nouns being masculine and feminine :)
Oh this is easy to answer fortunatelly… for all countries pretty much there is a male inhabitant AND a female one which is done by adding the standard womanizer: Brad Pit… I mean -in of course.
der Brite – die Britin
der Amerikaner – die Amerikanerin
der Inraner – die Iranerin
der Chinese – die Chinesin
etc…
So no gender confusion possible :)
the only exception to this (as far as I am aware) is Deutschland itself:
der Deutsche – die Deutsche
and still there the article always shows it… even in dative case (dem Deutschen vs der Deutschen)
ah thanks, that makes sense. The reason I got myself a bit confused was because I looked up Reiter (rider) in an online dictionary which said it was a masculine noun, so “der Reiter”, but it didn’t say anything about using “die Reiterin” if that was appropriate. So is that always the case then (apart from occasional exceptions like der/die Deutsche) ? if a masculine noun in the dictionary is, in the real world, being used for someone who is obviously female, it’s ok to add -in ?
Definitely :)
and since we’re on that topic… there are some professions which are by default female… like die Krankenschwester, die Hebamme, … for those there is no masculine form … ok for nurse there is also Krankenpfleger but I think many men doing this call themselves Krankenschwester anyways
Why “Thomas war schwimmen” but not “Thomas war geschwommen”?
Good question…
it is the past of “Thomas ist schwimmen” in sense the activity as a hobby or something. So the focus is not so much about the real actual swimming.
You can see these things as a short
“Thomas ist schwimmen gegangen.”
“Thomas war schwimmen gegangen/gewesen”
That is not necessarily correct but that might help you understand the meaning. This stuff is quite common in German.
Ich bin einkaufen.
This mean I am currently doing groceries.
Gestern war ich tanzen.
I went out dancing yesterday.
If I say:
Ich habe getanzt.
That is the past of the real action. The present of this is:
Ich tanze.
I hope that helps a bit
Vielen Dank for your reply.
If I got it right “Ich bin einkaufen” means “Ich bin einkaufen gegangen”. And such form fits only “Infinitive + gehen” situation. Right?
Could I say instead of it “Ich bin am Einkaufen”?
I think it doesn’t really mean that anymore. It might have come from there but now we could maybe call it a grammatical form of its own (maybe it has a Latin name but I don’t know). IN either case… the form mostly occurs where gehen would make sense.
So “Ich bin fahren” doesn’t make sense to me. By the way..
“Ich bin einkaufen” would probably be “I am at the grocery store” in spoken ENglish… at least based on feeling.
“Ich bin am einkaufen” is correct and means sort of the same but it doesn’t sound very good to me. I don’t use the am-verb construction a lot and I think it is somewhat colloquial. And it is longer :). And also it doesn’t really work in past as just “Ich bin einkaufen” does.
“Ich war am einkaufen”… that implies that you will continue your account with something that happened right when you were shopping. This is not the case for “Ich war einkaufen”
That only means that you were at the supermarket doing groceries and it is a fine answer to “Why weren’t you at home when I called?” The am-version doesn’t work there. So the am-version is really more a kind of progressive aspect (as the English -ing) while the in the other it is kind of a weird indication of location and activity in one.
“Obwohl Thomas seit ein paar Tagen eine schlimme Erkältung hat, war er gestern mit einer Freundin, die er aus der Schule kennt schwimmen.” Should there be a comma after “kennt” to separate the subordinate clause from “schwimmen”, which part of the main clause?
Spot on. Nice catch. Danke!
Hey Emanuel just wanted to let you know that this page needs updating with this article!
http://yourdailygerman.wordpress.com/learn-german-online-course/
By the way, I heard you were studying Italian and by all means please send me an email if you ever want help with anything/need something to clear up. I’m fairly fluent myself and study the language and I have several native speakers in the house, plus my knowledge of German should definitely help out too. Looking forward to more fantastic articles, keep up the good work!
Last night, I have been sleeping in my chair because I was tremendously tired.
‘Have been sleeping’ should be either ‘was sleeping’ or ‘slept’ depending on the context. I can’t really explain why, just that ‘have been sleeping’ sounds strange. Although ‘have been sleeping’ could work with ‘in my chair because’ such as ‘I have been sleeping in my chair because I don’t have a bed.’
Oh the awful English language ;)
Surely you of all people would know why though, Emanuel! :D
For me (native English speaker from UK), ‘have been sleeping’ means it happened more than once, over a period of time, and is now finished. When you add ‘last night’ you restrict the duration such that it becomes a one off event, I.e. I slept/was sleeping. I think it’s the difference between pluperfect and perfect/imperfect but my knowledge of the grammatical terms is shaky.
That was actually quite helpful to me… I never really bothered to learn the distinction between the have-past and the ed-past because I am lazy and all the implications are simply new to me (since German is really sloppy with time). I kind of know what works when but often enough I will just translate German and thus make a mistake. So, now that you mentioned the thing with ‘last night’ I have a new and quick to apply rule (when using one time time-adverb, don’t use have-past) … danke :D
The best (and possibly all-exhaustive) rule that I have found is this:
The Present Perfect is used when speaking about an event that is still related to the present. It lasts up until this moment, and focuses on the consequences rather than the action.
I have been to Paris 3 times, (and I might go there again).
I went to Paris 3 times. (Last year, that one time, it’s over. We were talking about one time period that is finite.)
I’ve been working on my fitness, (and I still am).
I worked on my fitness. (Yesterday, last month, what I did today, that one time on band camp.)
I’ve built a tree-house, (and it’s outside right now, come check it out. Or alternatively, you may be listing things you have done with your life , for example. Not listing things you did last year etc.)
I built a tree-house. (Cool, well done.)
That rule is actually 100% exhaustive IMO, I can’t think of any exceptions. Someone let me know if they can.
James, you write ‘have been sleeping’ relates to an action that ‘is now finished’. Would not ‘had’ been sleeping relate to an action that was completed. I’m also English,UK and would understand ‘have been sleeping’ to could infer the action was still ongoing…
Present tense can also be habitual action. For example “I sleep 8 hours a night”. If you want to express though the same habitual action since retirement it would use have. It is in the past but also continuing. “Since retirement I have been sleeping 8 hours every night”
Your answer to barryharkcom did not quite cover my question. Which is correct
Das Mädchen ist hier. Ja, sie ist hier.
oder
Das Mädchen ist hier. Ja, er ist hier.
Here are the typos I saw:
as it purls(???) over … No idea
It hold(s) for many
•I coffee in the kitchen now. Bad example as we do NOT have a verb to Coffee. I take/drink coffee in the kitchen now. Just about works but
we would never put “now” at the end. “I am drinking coffee in the kitchen”is best
“no movement without mass”… exactly where did you learn physics??
is a mustache… oh… I mean May be me, I just could not work out what you pretended to say
“In(that) my new kick ass comfy armchair.” (remove)
•I slep(t) at that time.
sentence can be(e) seen as being comprised
for the action(-)words themselves You do love hyphens I will not mention again it is just your style I suppose
helpful to understand(ing) complex
sentences or chang(e)(ing) the order of things in
•Although he is having a really bad cold for a few days now, Thomas has been swimming with a friend whom he knows from school yesterday!!!”!!
This must rate as your worst mangling of English I have seen.
•Although he has had a bad cold for a few days now, yesterday Thomas went swimming with a friend whom he knows from school .
war Thomas (n)(m)it einer Freundin
Purl… i looked that up on Leo.org as a word for the noise little creeks make.
http://dict.leo.org/ende/index_de.html#/search=purl&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on
Is that not correct? What would be better? Or is it just the phrasing that’s weird?
In the example with the coffee there is no verb. It’s an example from a world without verbs. Interesting to see that the grammar brain is hard wired for having a verb following the subject that it interprets coffee as a verb.
As for the hyphens… I actually don’t know the rules and online you can find examples for all spellings (miniseries, mini-series, mini series). To me, coming from German, it feels weird to just write two nouns in sequence and I am always hesitant as to whether it is really clear that I mean the whole thing as one fixed term. Anyway… I will stick with the hyphens for terms that I come up with myself… action words. I think hyphenated it is more accessible for the non English speaking readers (English as their first language that is).
And then the Thomas sentence… oh my, it wasn’t even a literal translation. Maybe I just really felt the urge to use some progressive forms :)
Danke für alles!
Oh and I almost forgot the most interesting point… the physics :). I was in Physik-Leistungskurs (some sort of major subject) in school so that’s where my education comes from. Now, the phrasing might not be the most precise. By movement I mean velocity and how can I have a velocity without mass… I mean in reality? If “nothing” moves, is there movement? Now, I might be totally wrong so I am really curious now…
Light particles have no mass but they move and they have momentum. So the expression could possibly be “no momentum without movement.” or vice versa.
You can have movement without mass and you can have momentum without mass.
Here endeth the physics lesson.
Alan
My typo .
I intended to use
Das Mädchen ist hier. Ja, ES ist hier.
I figured :).
So… from a purely technical point of view it should be “es”. But I think “sie” is what people say. When I read it in your question it felt totally natural and correct. “Es” would feel awkward since we are clearly talking about a female human being… a “she”.
Anyway, I have done a quick Google search :
https://www.google.de/search?q=%22das+m%C3%A4dchen+%22+%22sie+war%22&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enDE430DE443&oq=%22das+m%C3%A4dchen+%22+%22sie+war%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.14011j0&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.de/search?q=%22das+m%C3%A4dchen+%22+%22sie+war%22&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enDE430DE443&oq=%22das+m%C3%A4dchen+%22+%22sie+war%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.14011j0&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&q=%22das+m%C3%A4dchen+%22+%22es+hatte%22&safe=active
The results made me think that it might be dependent on the verb. There is a story called “Das Mädchen mit den Schwefelhölzern” It shows up in the results for both queries. I chose “es hatte” and not “es war” because “es war would yield result that I am not interested in.
I think for “sein”, using “es” is not very good, whereas for “haben” I am actually inclined to say “es” is better.
Ultimately I think also Germans are often hesitant what to do and there is definitely not a fixed rule. You can find examples for either version.
“purl” is possibly an onomatopoetic word (ie a word that sounds like the action it is describing) used by er… poets it is not used by anybody else except in another context.
In knitting (the thing that old ladies used to do to make woollen clothes) “to purl” is to take the stitch with the knitting needle from the back.
Sometimes you “knit” a row and then “purl” a row. to make a pattern. Other times you “knit one purl one” ie do alternate stitches to make another pattern.
How do I know all this – becasue I am OLD. None of my children would know any of this.
Although it probably is not going to be used for years, I have the feeling that this “knit one purl one” will stay part of my active vocabulary. Sometimes I can remember the weirdest things without effort (while there are other words that I keep looking up over and over). Anyway… and one day I will be in a situation where it fits and I can show off. I and my vanity, we are looking forward to that moment :)
I now have to own up. After I wrote the previous comment I Googled and found this:
purling
Variant of purl
intransitive verb
1. to move in ripples or with a murmuring sound
2. to move in eddies; swirl
Origin: < ? Scand, as in Norw purla, to ripple
noun
1. a purling stream or rill
2. the murmuring sound of purling water
So you were correct after all.
So I need to take English lessons as well as german!
Alan
If I tried to say have a good day in German, would Haben ein guten tag be accepted?
If you are on an informal basis you could techincally say:
– Hab einen schönen Tag.
On a formal level you need to use the pronoun for the imperative too so it would be:
– Haben Sie einen schönen Tag!
However, the sentence structure is that of a question and people would understand it as such. The most common way to say that in German is
– Schönen Tag noch.
Said with a smile this works everywhere :)
Thanks for the blog. i might need a bit more voabulary before i can really make good use of your very clear explainations. Keep up the good work!!
Yeah, vocabulary is really the key to everything. Viel Erfolg damit und danke für’s Feedback :)
Love your blog. Its helping me a lot on my incoming A2 exam.
Viel Glück damit :)!
German is too hard :(
Awful. Too many poor jokes taking away from the substance of the article. Truly weak.
The box method would not work very well for ancient Greek or Latin. Both of those languages can place words just about anywhere and in almost any order at all. Most adjectives, adverbs, and even prepositions can go before or after their noun or verb, be separated by several other words in between, and sometimes be located in another clause.
I don’t know any Latin nor any Greek but I’ve heard that their incredibly flexible… however, is it really possible to tear apart boxes (constituents)? Like…
– After my the kitchen party I cleaned
– (After my party I cleaned the kitchen)
I mean, maybe it is but it’s really hard to believe for me.
“Cleaned (I) my after party kitchen”or “Kitchen after party my cleaned (I)” are both perfectly normal. The first sentence emphasizes the cleaning, the second emphases the kitchen. In poetry, you could even see “my” at the end, completely separated from everything else.
So I could put the “my” at the end and because of the case-markings it would be clear which noun it refers to?! Wow… I really didn’t think this was possible in any language. You’re totally right. The box-model would totally fail there… we’d need a molecule-model :)
Yes, you are understanding me correctly. A molecular model would be cool but I think, based on my limited success reading Latin and Greek, that perhaps a quantum model might be required.
Haha… we don’t know where exactly the preposition is. We just know where it is likely :D
“is it really possible to tear apart boxes? ” Yes, and that is one of the big difficulties in reading epic poems such as the Iliad or the Aeneid. It’s very common in poetry, but even in Latin and Greek prose, moving nouns and verbs and their modifiers around is a common way to give emphasis. Even prepositions can be moved out of their normal position, though that is not as common. This is all possible because Latin and Greek are fully declined.
Hi.
The box model is most helpful, thank you. I feel a lot more confident with word order now.
Just to clarify please, I assume when you move a box, sometimes you may have to make a minor change, eg to ensure the verb is in second place. I’m looking at one of the boxes in your “Thomas” example; “war er gestern mit einer Freundin”. When the boxes were moved around, one of the variations began with, “Thomas war gestern mit einer Freundin”. I’m assuming the change was necessary because you can’t start a normal sentence with a verb.
Am I on the right track? I like the box model, and I’d like to use it properly.
Your advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
Brian
Exactly… there HAS to be something in front of the verb (a whole box, not just something) or it will sound like a question. So if you move something out of position 1, you need to fill up this position again. Strangely enough, and I didn’t mention that in the article, you can also insert a super generic filler “es” and say
– Es war Thomas gestern mit einer Freundin essen.
This is a bit contrived in this situation but there are examples out there, when exactly this happens. So… one box, then verb.. a German native speaker is hard wired for this. Btw… if you want to read more on structure, I have kicked off the new year with a post on that:
http://yourdailygerman.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/german-main-clause-sentence-structure/
I am not entirely sure whether I am satisfied with that though (I feel like it’s too complicated and detailed) so I didn’t link to it.
i notice you never put the When box at the end. IE. Wir haben viele Freunde bei uns heute? Wir haben heute veile Freunde bei uns?
In comparison with other boxes it is rare, indeed… but not impossible
– Ja, das sagst du HEUTE. Aber warte mal bis morgen.
– Das Flugzeug aus London landet um 11.
There are reasons when to do it but I kind of don’t want to spoil that here since it is the topic of a post I have yet to finish… or start :). But yeah.. the when-box tends to be at the beginning, but there’s no rule that it can’t be at the end.
Vielen Dank für diese Erklärung! Es wird sehr nützlich sein, um lange und unhandliche deutsche Sätze zu analysieren.
Kleine Frage: Was ist der richtige Kasten für “nicht”? Es scheint bei dem Verb zu gehören, aber sie sind nicht immer zusammen. Es ist manchmal schwer zu sehen, wo in dem Satz es gehen sollte.
“nicht” kann in jedem Kasten sein und den Inhalt negieren.
[nicht heute] habe [nicht ich] [nicht meinen Bruder] [nicht auf dem Markt] nicht getroffen.
Das letzte “nicht” ist dann das Verb-nicht. Wenn man will kann man die ge-form auch als Box interpretieren… als [was gemacht?]-box
– Ich habe blah blah blah [gemacht].
Das ist ganz nützlich, wenn man gucken will, wo das “nicht” im Nebensatz hinkann.
– …., dass * ich * gestern * auf dem Markt * meinen Bruder * getroffen # habe.
Direkt vor “habe” geht es nicht, da “habe” in diesem Kontext keinen wirklichen Inhalt hat. Nur Funktion. Und die kann man nicht verneinen.
Ich hoffe, das hilft ein bisschen.
Aber ich mache irgendwann auch was zur Verneinung :).
Ja, das hilft. Ich mag der Begriff der [gemacht]-box. “Nicht” gehört dann zu was auch immer Box, dass es direkt vor geht?
Nur eine Frage: In einem Satz wie “Ich will es nicht,” ist es das Verb-nicht, oder? Aber es ist nicht bei dem Verb. Geht es zum Ende wie ein Präfix?
Ja, so in der Art. Eigentlich ist es so, dass das Verb am Ende ist und dann in Position 2 geht. Die “wahre” Reihenfolge der Boxen eines Satzes sieht man, wenn man einen Nebensatz macht.
– …, dass ich es nicht will.
Und zack… schon steht das “nicht” direkt vor dem Verb :).
– …, dass ich es will nicht.
Das ist falsch, und es gibt generell keinen Nebensatz mit “nicht” am Ende.
Deutsche Grammatik ist ein Gewirr! Aber ich glaube, dass ich nun ein wenig besser es verstehe. Nochmals vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe! :)
hello
can some you say:
“Ich komme aus Deutschland nicht! Ich komme aus Portugal”
or
“Ich komme nicht aus Deutschland!”
i mean is the first one totally wrong
congratulations
for this super site in wich i have fell in love!
many thanks
Well, it’s not totally wrong but it is super odd … I can’t really think of a context right now, for this particular example but a very similar one would be this:
– Ich gehe in die Bar nicht.
If someone phrases this way, then the “going to the bar” has already been the matter of discussion and this sentence just reaffirms a statement that was made before… that the person will not go to that certain bar. In spoken, there would be a rather strong emphasis on “gehe” as the “Nicht ” is technically negating the verb. For your example though, I can’t think of a context and if you were to say it with an accent, it would just sound like wrong sentence structure :).
Thanks for the nice feedback by the way :)
wait…….what????? I have no idea what you just said
Well… it’s really not a description of how to do something… it’s a way of seeing things, a tool. And just like any tool it’s only helpful if you need it (yeah, that sentence was stupid :)… I use the term box throughout the whole site here and there, whenever I talk about sentence structure and then we’re actually doing something with that “tool”
Anyway… I’d be happy to help and clear it up. Is there anything in particular that confuses you? Or is it just “Why are e doing this?”
Thanks for this theory on grammar. I love it. It makes sense to me, and hopefully will help with working out what is going on in those long complex sentence. It reminds me of the days of studying transformational grammar in linguistics. I cannot wait to try it out in my German study.
Glad it made sense to you :). Let me know if you come across a sentence that you just can’t make sense of…
Hi there, Please continue explaining things exactly as you’ve been doing. For new to intermediate level learners, these different view
points and explanations are more than helpful. Often, I’ll try to say a rather simple sentence, then use an online german translator to
see how close I come. But usually, the German translator often transpose my sentence sometimes by -time, manner, place, which
makes me think I wouldn’t be understood. However, by your examples there seems to be a lot of flexibility for personal
preferences, how chatty you might feel at the time and what you want to stress. When I’m composing a thought,
it’s hard enough to get the case correct as I’m speaking…and I hope that if the case is correct, then Time, Manner, Place and the
“doch,noch,denn,schon” left out wouldn’t stop a native German speaker from understanding my thoughts.
In — Gregory Matchado | January 4, 2013 Question to you
So.. Could you just tell if the below statements are all grammatically correct.. And also which one is actually used most often..
Heute ist der Verkehr sehr stark
Der Verkehr ist heute sehr stark
Der Verkehr heute ist sehr stark
MY EXPRESSION WOULD BE:
1st choice Heute, der Verkehr ist sehr stark. –easy English syntax
Junk Subject verb Junk What I feel traffic is
2nd choice Heute ist der Verkehr sehr stark. –traditional “learned” syntax from books. not too bad for English speakers
verb in traditional 2nd place-box
QUESTION – Would my 1st choice “fly” although not German-Like…but would it be so bad that native Germans would cringe
and prefer I didn’t say anything?
By your box example below:
Obwohl Thomas seit ein paar Tagen eine schlimme Erkältung hat, war er gestern mit einer Freundin, die er aus der Schule kennt, schwimmen.
Although he has had a bad cold for a few days now, yesterday Thomas went swimming with a friend whom he knows from school.
In your example, you got a whole bunch of “junk” prior to the verb “hat”
Thomas war gestern mit einer Freundin, die … kennt, schwimmen, obwohl … Erkältung hat.
Gestern war Thomas mit einer Freundin, die… kennt, schwimmen, obwohl er…. hat.
–>Mit einer Freundin, die… kennt, war Thomas gestern, obwohl… hat, schwimmen. <– my sentence might fit this mode
Heute, der Verkehr ist sehr stark
I know the 2nd choice: Heute ist der Verkehr sehr stark is "proper" for such a short sentence,
but speaking to a native German speaker is stressful enough just trying to get the pronunciation
correct, the case and gender correct…something is going to suffer for a while until I get more
comfortable with the language.
Lastly, as I mentioned before, when I translate something I want to say on a website
I get some many options that it makes me question my own translation since I never
get one that match it. So I figure I not doing something right….any help?
My sentence: I have a new bike and I like to ride on it.
Ich habe ein neuse Fahrrad und ich reite gern darauf. <—– My translation in my mind using your "da-word" explanation and usage
Below, all the online translation websites I used:
https://translate.google.com/#auto/de, http://www.online-translator.com, http://translation2.paralink.com/
http://www.freetranslation.com, http://www.reverso.net/translationresults.aspx?lang=EN&direction=english-german
Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und ich mag auf es herum fahren.
Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad, und ich mag ringsherum darauf reiten.
Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und ich möchte reiten auf.
Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und Ich mag auf ihm reiten.
Ich habe ein neues Rad, und ich mag darauf reiten
Thanks again for all your hard work with examples, explanations and insight to the secret world of German speech!
So about
– Heute, der Verkehr
It’s definitely not correct and it’s an obvious mistake but I think I can’t really judge how bad that sounds because I’m kind of used to it. It’s just so common to hear it this way even from advanced learners. It’s definitely understandable.
Just in case you’re wondering about
– Der Verkehr heute ist….
That might look like two boxes (who and when) but it’s actually just a who-box. Inside is “the traffic today” with the today specifying the traffic. This is a rather common structure, by the way.
AS for the Thomas-example… the “hat” is part of a sentence that start with “obwohl”
– “obwohl Thomas (junk) Erkältung hat”
And “obwohl” works like “dass” does in that EVERY verb gets put to the end.
This box answers to “despite what fact” and grammatically it is exactly the same as a box that contains only the word “yesterday”. It is NOT the main sentence though. The main sentence is “THomas war schwimmen”. The rest is just additional info put into different positions. Whichever version you take…. you will ALWAYS have “war” after the first box is finished.
Let me know if that helps.
Don’t worry about it too much though… neither case, nor gender nor word order matter that much when it comes to being understood. What matters is to conjugate your verbs correctly and to make proper use of tenses. And to not try and form a progressive. That’s hard to understand sometimes.
Finally about the automated translation…. despite all research and swarm intelligence Google translate (haven’t tried the others you mentioned) are surprisingly poor when it comes to translating English to German or vice versa. Sometimes the result for even a simple sentence is just plain wrong.
It’s really great actually that you gave an example. So let’s see how they fared:
Google: sort of fail. Sounds like an A1 student but it’s understandable
Online-translater: WRONG. And not understandable. “ringsherum” especially screws it up bug time but “reiten” is a sign of poor quality too.
Paralink: awful, the second part is just nonsense, grammatical and wording-wise
freetranslation: the grammar is fine but “reiten” is still epic fail. You just don’t “reiten” a bike in German. Also “auf ihm” is questinable and “mag” is not the best choice either.
reverso: This would be the best, if it wasn’t for “reiten”. The only problem besides that is “mag” which is just not the most idiomatic choice for “to like doing something”.
Here’s how a native would say it
– Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und ich fahre gerne damit.
– Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad (und ich mag (es) damit zu fahren.)
So bottom line… I’d say stay away from automated translations. From what I’ve seen they are MUCH better between ENglish and Spanish but when it comes to German they all need to go back to school for I’d say at least another 5 years.
Hi and thanks so much for the clarifications!
I can’t believe the online translators are so bad! With online translators that gave me stuff like
Ich habe ein neues Rad, und ich mag darauf reiten…Even I knew “mag” wasn’t right and pondered
why it was being used. I was also curious why the translators used “reiten” when “fahren” is
normally used for driving a car, motorcycle or bicycle…but figured 4 out 5 can’t be wrong…but they were, huh?
I did notice the dependent clause “Obwohl….hat” construction right away so I think I am making some
progress. And that another verb should be parked right next to “hat”
So, I’m gonna give myself a C+ for translating my sentence:
I have a new bike and I like to ride on it.
I used “reiten” after translators kept using it: Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und ich reite gern/e darauf.
my first thought was ——————————> Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und ich “fahre” gern/e darauf.
Your correction (thank you) ———————->Ich habe ein neues Fahrrad und ich fahre gerne damit.
My thoughts with the “da” was…in one sense…a bicycle could be considered a horizontal plain like a sofa
and you can “sit” on it (flat surface – prep “auf” then I incorrectly figured “darauf” instead of “damit” (with it)–thus no confusion.
The other thought choice was -prep “an” since a bike is vertically standing, thus “daran” —which would be incorrect too.
“damit” takes care of everything! THANKS! Maybe the “darauf, daran, damit, danach” or a bit too abstract to try
such a straightforth logical approach. I think Germans wanted the keep Romans, Gauls and others from understanding
their language in the olden days and came up with all these tricks to keep everyone guessing (smile).
A “b” as a “p” unless before a vowel….”d” as a “t”…..a “g” as a “k” ….Please! P-a-r-a-n-o-i-d…
But on the other hand….it is a very fascinating language and I do like the logic rules of the language….really, I do!
In the next day or two, I plan on spending 2 or 3 hours at Starbucks reading your
“What do darum, daran, davon, danach and all those mean?” for better understanding of these
words….then if I dare….your — What the heck do wo-words mean? (smile)
Thanks, for all of the German work sheets on your site. They’re enlightening, humorous and greatly
appreciated.
MarkSpott
“Auf dem Fahrrad” actually works too. It’s just not as common in combination with “fahren”. So you can definitely trust yourself more than the automated translators :)
what is correct:
Ich habe (den Wein) zu trinken begonnen.
Or
Ich habe (den Wein) begonnen zu trinken.
Please help. VIELEN DANK IM VORAUS!
w
What goes at the end of sentence zu+verb OR partizip 2?
P.s. With your help and all explanations German is REALLY easy!!!
Danke, freut mich :)
They’re both okay but the first one is better. Why? Because “Wein” belongs to the activity “trinken”. We have two parts
– veruschen
– Wein trinken
The second version splices the wine out. It’s understandable here, and it has some charm but don’t expect it to always work.
Also… there’s a third version
– Ich habe begonnen, den Wein zu trinken.
I’d say that’s the default because you usually don’t split sentences unless you have to.
GERMAN SENTENCE STRUCTURE MADNESS
What you’re about to see might scare you. Meet a moderately complex sentence… its name is Frederick* (*name changed for privacy reasons)
Obwohl Thomas seit ein paar Tagen eine schlimme Erkältung hat, war er gestern mit einer Freundin, die er aus der Schule kennt, schwimmen.
Although he has had a bad cold for a few days now, yesterday Thomas went swimming with a friend whom he knows from school.
First let’s break this down into parts…
[despite what fact] action part 1 [who] [when] [with whom] action left overs.
[Despite what fact] [who] action [with whom] [when].
Shouldn’t the English boxes read:
[Despite what fact] [when].[who] action [with whom]
They should :). My mistake. Danke !!
Can you explain the [despite what fact] part again with a little more detail in this sentence:
Obwohl Thomas seit ein paar Tagen eine schlimme Erkältung hat, war er gestern mit einer Freundin, die er aus der Schule kennt, schwimmen.
[despite what fact] action part 1 [who] [when] [with whom] action left overs.
You said that [despite what fact] is suppose to answer to one specific question, but I do not see what that one specific question is. :/ Does it matter if you have [despite what fact] in the sentence or is it just there to give additional information? Can you also explain action left overs? Thanks!
The question for an obwohl-box (or a despite-box in English) is this:
– despite what fact?
The tricky thing here is that this question is nowhere near as natural as “who” or “when”. Nobody would ask “Oh and despite what fact?” in a normal conversation. So it is a bit theoretical. Still, the content of such a box gives us that very information. There has been a fact(circumstance) that was kind of ignored or overcome. What matters is that it is one bit of information from the perspective of the main sentence.
And yes, here you can leave it out. Then you’ll simply get the sentence that he went swimming, which is totally fine.
As for “action leftovers”… with “action” I mean the whole verbal phrase.
– war schimmen
I said “action” instead of “verb” because we’re looking at two verbs here (sein, schwimmen) but they’re both used to express one action. The leftovers of the “action” are all the parts that are not in position number 2. Here, it’s just “schwimmen”.
Let me know if that helped.
I found this very help, I now have a better understanding of the box modal. Thank you so much!
i love u man german is so much easier than i thought
Sweet. Glad I could help :)
Ich lese abends oft in der Küche ein Buch über Pferde.
In the evenings, I often read a book about horses.
I don’t mean to nitpick, but how come the kitchen (der Küche) isn’t mentioned in the second sentence?
Sorry, but I gots to know
That’s an editing mistake, I think. I had the sentence and the translation and then I decided to make the German sentence longer, but I forgot to adjust the translation. Happens to me all the time. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the heads up!