
Hello everyone,
and welcome back to the YourDailyGerman Online course and I have good news for all beginners:
You have a day off!
Well, if you want to.
Why?
Well, the topic today is not exactly something you need when you make your first steps in German, so you could go outside and touch some grass.
But then again… it’s not TOO difficult to understand. You’ll do just fine, and you would gain some insight into the mechanics and structure of German and how crazy it can be.
Like…
What would you say: is the following a valid start of a German sentence?
- Die das den...
The answer is yes. It is valid.
It looks silly, for sure.
But it is possible and the thing we need to it work are the topic of today.
German Participle Attribute (in Present) – Partizipialattribut Praesens
Wow, what a word.
What are they?
Well, it’s when we use a verb or a verbal phrase as an adjective in front of a noun.
That’s the theory, and in practice, it looks like this.
- The tasty looking plate of pasta.
Tasty looking pasta is a participle attribute of the sentence “The pasta looks tasty.”.
These also exist in the past tense. Then they would look like this:
- The falsely accused unicorn.
But today, we’ll focus on the first kind, the participle attribute in present tense.
We’ll find out how to build them in German, and also when to use them, because there are some differences here.
They’re really useful for writing and the underlying ideas and concepts are even more useful and also interesting for beginners whole like reading about structure.
So if you’re ready, let’s hop right in.
We’ll take our time for this and build it up properly, so let’s start with some background that’s also useful in general as a way of thinking about structure.
Info, Slots and the Purpose of Participle Attributes
Suppose we have a very basic thing like red wine and we make a short sentence with it.
- Der Rotwein kostet 3 Euro.
- The red-wine costs 3,88 dollars.
That’s a 2007 example, by the way. Now it’s like 10 bucks.
But yeah, let’s put on our “box”-glasses for a second and analyze the sentence with them.
If you’re like “What glasses?!” don’t worry. You’ll understand as we go.
The red wine is our who-box, (as in who does something) and in that box we have the article der followed by the actual noun, Rotwein.
After the who-box, we have the verb, and then, we have 3 Euro . That is our what-box (as in what does it cost?).
Cool.
Now let’s imagine we have some additional information about the red wine: it is tasty.
How can we communicate all we know about red wine?
We could simply make 2 sentences and combine them with und.
- Der Rotwein kostet 3 Euro und er ist lecker.
But if we were always talking like this, that would be pretty damn boring.
It would be cooler if we could fit the tasty-info into our first sentence somehow.
And we can.
In German, just as in English and many other languages by the way, there are 2 slots or options where you can fit in additional information about a thing or a person.
Here they are:
- Der [info slot 1] Rotwein, [info slot 2], kostet 3 Euro.
The first slot is between the article and the noun and the second one is after the noun.
And now here 2 basic facts about this:
- The slots use different grammar.
If you want to move info from one to the other you have to modify the phrasing to make it fit.
- Some pieces of information are always put in slot 1, some always in slot 2 and some works fine in both slots.
So… let’s get back to our red wine example.
- Der [1]Rotwein,[2], kostet 3 Euro.
- Der Rotwein ist lecker.
And now let’s add the info of the second sentence into the first one, using both slots.
Slot 1:
- Der leckere Rotwein kostet 3 Euro.
- The tasty red wine costs 3 Euros.
Slot 2:
- Der Rotwein, der lecker ist, kostet 3 Euro.
- The red wine, which is tasty, costs 3 Euros.
Clearly, the slot 1 version is the better choice here. The information that the wine is tasty is just one adjective so it is very short. Such information is well placed in the first slot. The slot 2 version isn’t wrong, it just sounds needlessly complicated.
But not every piece of information is that short. In fact, the majority of information we give about things every day needs a whole sentence with verb and everything to be expressed.
Like this one:
- The red wine tastes a little like vanilla.
- Der Rotwein schmeckt ein bisschen nach Vanille.
For information that needs a verb to be expressed, usually slot 2 is the better choice…
- Der Rotwein, der ein wenig nach Vanille schmeckt, kostet 3 Euro.
- The red wine, which/that tastes a little …., costs 3 Euros.
But in German, we could also put this piece of information into slot 1
- Der ein bisschen nach Vanille schmeckende Rotwein kostet 3 Euro.
This doesn’t work in English, but this is a participle attribute.
And that is their core purpose:
participle attributes make a piece of information that contains a verb suitable for slot 1.
Why is it called “participle attribute”? Because it uses the participle form of the verb, here schmeckend.
Basically, it transforms a relative sentence into a sort of adjective.
Like… a really really loooong adjective, that, just like any other adjective, gets the normal adjective ending.
- Der einbisschennachvanilleschmeckend-e Rotwein kostet 3 Euro.
- Der lecker-e Rotwein kostet 3 Euro.
Cool.
Now we know what participle attributes are and what their purpose is and the next step would be to talk about how exactly to build them. Because in higher level exams, you’ll have to do some transformer action.
But before we get to that, there’s actually one question many of you have in your minds right now: WHY?
Why even use Participle Attributes
We just learned that participle attributes basically transform a relative sentence and make it suitable for slot 1, in front of the noun.
And the question is why we would even want to do that. Why not just keep adjective-based info in slot 1 and verb based info as a relative sentence in slot 2.
- Der französiche (slot 1) Rotwein, der ein bisschen nach Vanille schmeckt (slot 2), passt gut zu weißen Shirts.
- The French red wine, that/which tastes a little like vanilla, goes well with white shirts.
I mean, this is beautiful and balanced. Both slots are used nicely.
But now let’s imagine we have ANOTHER piece of information about the wine. A third one.
- Meine Mutter hat mir den Wein vor einem Jahr zum Geburtstag geschenkt.
- My mom gave me the wine as a birthday present a year ago.
Suppose we want to fit that into our sentence too.
Well, this is a piece of information that can only come after the subject in slot 2.
I will answer why in a little bit, but take my word for it now.
So this mom bit has to be behind Rotwein.
Fine.
We can do that using und
- Der französische Rotwein, der ein bisschen nach Vanille schmeckt, und den mir meine Mutter vor einem Jahr zum Geburtstag geschenkt hat, passt gut zu Bier.
This is correct, but is it beautiful? Not really. There is just a short word in slot 1 while slot 2 has this really really long block of info. That can be a problem.
- The French red wine, which tastes a little like vanilla and which my mom gave me as a birthday present a year ago, is a book I have yet to read.
I mean, you probably caught what I did here, but I hope you can see my point.
Slot 2 is soooo long that you slowly forget the beginning of the sentence.
So it would make for better writing, if we could make the whole thing a little more balanced.
And at least in German, we can.
The mom-part HAS to stay where it is ( again, we’ll see later why) but we could use a participle attribute and move the vanilla-part to the front.
- Der ein bisschen nach Vanille schmeckende, französische Rotwein, den mir meine Mutter vor einem Jahr zum Geburtstag geschenkt hat, passt gut zu Fisch.
This is a lot better.
The additional info we want to give about the wine is more evently distrubuted and we have less problems to track where we are.
Now, cramming that much info into one sentence is nothing people do very often in spoken German. It takes some processing to say something like this quickly. But just open a newspaper, and you will see these things everywhere.
Cool.
So now we know why we might need them.
Time to learn how to build them.
How to Build a Partizipialattribut
In order to understand how a participle attribute is made, it is very useful to first look at how information is put into slot 2.
And that is done by a relative sentence.
Here are some English examples.
- The man, who drinks beer, will have to pee eventually.
- The horse, with which I am good friends, stars in Man of Steel.
- My brother, whom I haven’t seen in a while, is bored.
- The green book I read blew.
ttNow, I have a whole series about relative clauses in German, so I don’t want to go into details here. But the 2 main features are:
- Most of the relative pronouns are the definite articles: der, die, das, dem, den etc…
- All relative clauses are subordinate clauses, so the type where ALL the verbs are at the end.
Here is the example we’ll work with.
- Die junge Frau, die in dem Café als Köchin arbeitet, studiert Geschichte.
- The young woman, who works as a chef in that café, studies history.
It consists of a main sentence:
- Die junge Frau studiert Geschichte.
And then we have a relative clause about the woman in slot 2.
- die junge Frau, die in dem Café als Köchin arbeitet….
What we want to do now is transform the relative clause into a participle attribute, so we can move it into slot 1.
And here’s the step-by-step approach:
Relative Clause to participle attribute
Remove relative Pronoun
- (die) in dem Café als Köchin arbeitet
Put Verb into Participle
In our case, participle 1.
- in dem Café als Köchin arbeitend
Add proper adjective ending to the participle
It depends on gender and case of the noun it is referring to.
- Die {slot 1} Frau – in dem Café als Köchin arbeitend-e
And now we’re ready to insert it.
- Die schöne, in dem Café als Köchin arbeitende Frau studiert Geschichte.
That’s it.
And now let me point out what we didn’t do:
We did not change word order!
When learners have this task of changing a relative sentence into a participle attribute or vice versa (which is something you ONLY ever do in a test), then they often start meddling with the word order, because that’s usually a thing. But here it is not.
Think of the relative clause one block. You take it out of slot 2, remove the article, adjust the verb and then you plunk it into slot 1.
All you have to touch is the beginning and the end of it. The rest is solid and remains unchanged.
Here is proof.
The following sentence is not nice German, it is hard to understand and follow, even for a native. But grammatically, it is correct and some of our philosophers and authors did write that way.
- Der [___empty slot 1____] Mann,
[der den Kaffee, den ihm die offensichtlich demotivierte Kellnerin nach langem Warten endlich auf den mit einem seit Tagen nicht mehr ausgespülten Lappen gewischten Tisch gestellt hatte, trinkt,]
raucht. - Der
derden Kaffee, den ihm die offensichtlich demotivierte Kellnerin nach langem warten endlich auf den mit einem seit Tagen nicht mehr ausgespülten Lappen gewischten Tisch gestellt hatte,trinkttrinkende Mann [___empty slot 2___], raucht.
It is hard to translate that using only one sentence in English:
- The man, who is drinking the coffee, which, after a long wait, the obviously not motivated waitress had put on his table, wiped with a cloth that hadn’t been rinsed out for days, is smoking.
Go ahead compare the 2 German versions, nothing changed anywhere apart from removing the article and picking the right verb form – the participle.
Today, we’re focusing on the present, so we need the present participle and that really is the easiest verb form in German.
How to form Present Participle
Add a -d!
That’s why I also call it the d-form.
- haben – habend
- trinken – trinkend
- fotografieren – fotografierend
- sein – seiend (the extra -e makes it 2 syllables thus setting the rhythm right)
- wollen – wollend
This d-form does corresponds to the English -ing to some extent, but be careful with that, because it often does not work.
And speaking of not working… German can do a lot more with these participle attributes than English.
English and German – Difference in Usage
Let’s now look at some examples where we transform a relative sentence into a participle attribute.
- Der Hund, der bellt, nervt.
Der bellende Hund nervt. - The dog that barks sucks.
The barking dog sucks.
Here, the participle attribute structure works in both languages because it’s basically just the verb.
However, as soon as we extend the verb with some info, it stops working in English.
- Ich mag keinen Käse, der nach Füßen riecht.
Ich mag keinen nach Füßen riechenden Käse. - I don’t like cheese that smells like feet.
You can not say “I don’t like like feet smelling cheese.” but in German that structure is possible.
Here are a couple more examples:
- Das Kind kommt nicht an die Keksbox, die auf dem Schrank steht.
Das Kind kommt nicht an die auf dem Schrank stehende Keksbox. - The child can’t reach the cookie box that sits on the cupboard.
- Der Professor, der über Zeitreisen forscht, bestellt eine Pizza.
Der über Zeitreisen forschende Professor bestellt eine Pizza. - The professor who does research about time travel orders a pizza.
Is this something you need to do in daily life?
No. But you will find it in writing, especially in very dense writing where lots of information is squeezed into one sentence.
There are limits to what you can do though, so let’s look at those next
Limits to Present Participle Attributes
We learned that we can use a participle attribute to move information about a noun from slot 2 to slot 1. Or in other words, by transforming a relative clause into a participle attribute.
But if we want to do that, a couple of conditions actually have to be met.
Condition 1 for using a present participle attribute
The noun we talk about needs to be the SUBJECT of the relative sentence
It doesn’t matter what role it has in the main sentence, but in the participle part itself, it needs to be the subject.
Here’s what I mean:
- Die Frau, die am Laptop arbeitet, ist meine Schwester.
- The woman who works on the computer is my sister.
- Ich sitze neben der Frau, die am Laptop arbeitet.
- I sit next to the woman who is working on the laptop.
In the main sentence, the woman has different roles in the sentences. In the first one, she is the subject, in the second one, she is a prepositional object. But in the relative sentence, she is the subject in both examples, so both can be rephrased using a participle attribute.
- Die am Laptop arbeitende Frau ist meine Schwester.
- The woman working on the laptop……
- Ich sitze neben der am Laptop arbeitenden Frau.
- I sit next to the woman who is ….
(English can’t do the German structure here)
Now, how about this example.
- Der Laptop, mit dem die Frau arbeitet, ist meine Schwes… oh ist ein Sony.
- The laptop, with which the woman is working/the woman is working with, is a Sony.
Our noun here is laptop. The slot 2 sentence gives additional info about laptop. But laptop is not the subject in the slot 2 phrase. The woman is. She does the working, the laptop is just an object. And there is NO WAY to make that into a particle consumption.
It is impossible.
So, this subject-condition is a grammatical one and there is no working around it.
The second condition or limit to using participle attributes is more of a stylistic one.
Condition 2 for using a present participle attribute
The verb is not a modal verb or helper verb.
The modal verbs, haben, sein and werden do not work well in slot 1 as participle attributes.
Technically we can do it. EVERY verb has a d-form. But for said verbs it sounds anything from bad to just really, really awful.
- The horse that is being groomed by Thomas is enjoying itself.
- Das Pferd, das von Thomas gestriegelt wird, hat Spaß.
- Das von Thomas gestriegelt werdende Pferd hat Spaß… is really strange.
- The man, who has no more cash money, is paying with a card.
- Der Mann, der kein Bargeld mehr hat, zahlt mit Karte.
- Der kein Bargeld mehr habende Mann zahlt mit Karte…. again… really really strange
So that’s the two conditions… subject in the participle part and the verb is not modal or helper.
And then in general, slot 1 is well suited for short info.
So stuff like adjectives and simple actions like barking, tea drinking, car driving and so on.
We’ve seen some uber long participle attributes here but those are NOT something considered good style. 200 years ago, maybe. But not today, so don’t feel compelled to do this kind of stuff in a C1 writing exam.
When you have lots of additional info, try to balance it nicely and not squeeze everything into one slot.
You have 2, so try and use them both.
All right.
So now we know all the ‘facts’ about present participle attributes.
Time to have some fun.
Having fun with Participle Attributes
We’ve already seen that German can do some stuff with its participle attributes that English can’t do. But let’s push it a bit and how crazy we can make it.
Let’s say there is a woman, and she is tired. And she is watching a roe deer as it crosses the little creek that is there. And that woman has a horrible secret.
These are a bunch of pieces of information and our goal is to squeeze all of these into ONE sentence.
First, let’s make a list of the pieces as boring main sentences
- Die [slot 1] Frau, [slot] hat ein schlimmes Geheimnis. (our main sentence)
- Die Frau ist müde.
- Die Frau beobachtet das [slot 1] Reh [slot 2].
- Das Reh überquert den kleinen Bach.
Now let’s combine this into one sentence. The English version could be something like this:
- The [ tired] woman [who is watching the [slot 1: empty] roe deer [that is crossing the little creek] has a horrible secret.
Not a pretty sentence maybe but it gets the job done.
Here it is in German:
- Die muede Frau, [die das Reh, [das den kleinen Bach überquert], beobachtet], hat ein schlimmes Geheimnis.
Also not pretty.
But you know how we can make it REALLY weird?
By using participle attributes instead of relative clauses.
Ready?
- Die [das [den kleinen Bach überquerende] Reh beobachtende] Frau hat ein schlimmes Geheimnis.
And there we have it!!!
A legit sentence that starts with die das den that I promised you in the beginning of our journey. Is this good style?
No, absolutely not!
But is it fun?
I think so. Bring it up at parties or on a date and you’ll see.
And with this great piece of advice, I think we’ll wrap it up.
Hooray.
At some point, I’ll do a lesson on participle attributes in the past tense, but for today, we have done enough.
As always, if you have any questions or suggestions about this, just leave me a comment.
I hope you liked it and see you next time.

What about sentences like the following ones, where the past participle is fronted?
-Gewonnen hat, wer zuerst im Ziel ist.
-Verloren hat am Ende die schlechter vorbereitete Mannschaft.
-Gekündigt hat er schon vor einem Monat.
-Gefunden haben wir die Lösung erst nach Wochen.
-Aufgegeben hat sie nie.
-Gebaut wurde das Haus im 19. Jahrhundert.
-Angekommen ist er erst gegen Mitternacht.
Which ones are you likely to produce in daily speech?
Just to be sure, these are NOT participle constructions, these are just normal spoken past sentences where the speaker decided to front the ge-form.
– Wir haben die Loesung erst nach Wochen gefunden.
This would be the default order but of course you can put different things into position one.
Putting the ge-form there creates a strong focus on it, but it can make sense in the broader narrative and flow of a text. So it’s not always just to focus. Sometimes it’s a means to connect to prior sentences.
All of them are fairly normal in daily speech.
Thank you, Emanuel! And sorry for mistaking them!
No problem. One of your examples was interesting, btw, because it had the subject not in 1 or 3.
In part 2 we’ll look at party-somethings that use the ge-form. That will be a little more tricky since passive mode is involved but for today we’re done.
I can’t find this part 2 article
I’ve actually never done it. I kind of forgot this was still pending :D
Can you please make it?
hey emanuel I have a question for you. participle 1 as an adjective is it common?
Somewhat common, yes. In written more than in spoken German.
What kinds of sentences with Partizip I actually occur in everyday German?
For example, in which situations would a native speaker naturally use Partizip I in spoken language — as in Ein wartender Mann steht vor der Tür, Ich habe da so ein nerviges, piependes Geräusch gehört, or Da kam ein lachendes Kind auf mich zu?
Good question!!
I think mostly in contexts where you want to describe something, like your examples “lachendes Kind”, “piepsendes Geräusch”, “gut aussehender Mann”, “stömender Regen” or “anstrengender Hike”.
It’s not really used for things that focus on “doing”, so “wartender Mann” would be less common because “wartend” is not really all that descriptive, it’s more of a short way to assign an act to the person.
Does that help?
Wow! Thank you, Emanuel! Sure, that really helps!
I really enjoyed this lesson – such a clear explanation of something that had long puzzled me. I was absolutely up for doing the exercises at the end, but the links don’t work. Disappointed!!
Oh dang, I have a tool that checks for broken links in the background, but I wasn’t aware that it actually just removes the link once it’s broken. So I have zero clue what these two even linked to :D.
I’ll have to make my own exercise I guess.
Glad you enjoyed the lesson and it wasn’t too long (it’s definitely one of the longest).
Nice article, thanks. But one sentence, as seems to me, stands in a contradiction to what you told in series about the word order.
Now I guess for geschenken the entity, that is being actually presented is of the highest importance and, therefore, constitutes the news. Shouldn’t it stand next to the verb like this:
Meine Mutter hat mir vor einem Jahr zum Geburtstag den Wein geschenkt.
Thanks in advance.
Great question!
Your reasoning is totally correct, BUT… the example uses “den Wein”, so it’s a definite wine. Which kind of implies that the listener already know which wine it is.
So it’s already part of the conversation and hence stands comparatively far on the left.
That’s how the example feels to me anyway. The wine is already topic before the sentence.
Your version is correct too, and here the wine sounds more like the news. I think people would use “diesen Wein” in this case because they’re presenting it. Or they’d use “einen Wein” if they can’t point the specific one.
Let me know if that helps!
How could I forget about this important feature.That makes perfect sense, thank you.
Thank you very much! You mentioned ‘some of our philosophers and authors‘ – I can read a bit of German, so on my first day in Germany I thought I’d have a go at Effi Briest.
The very first sentence of the book:
“In Front des schon seit Kürfurst Georg Wilhelm von der Familie von Briest bewohnten Herrenhauses zu Hohen-Cremmen…”
A nasty shock.
Ha, this is absolute standard for literature from that era :D. And I gotta say… it feels nice. I’m almost sure that the main verb comes next and this little completed arc in the beginning gives me a sense of satisfaction when the sentence hasn’t even really started.
So just a question, now this
Der Laptop, mit dem die Frau arbeitet, ist ein Sony.
The laptop, which the woman is working with, is a Sony.
The which the woman is working with laptop, is a Sony
Der mit dem die Frau arbeitende Laptop, is ein Sony
This is wrong?
Ist it just me or does it sound kind of right in english
I’m pretty sure this isn’t proper English, but I’m not a native speaker.
The German version is incomprehensible though.
Native English speaker weighing in! That is not grammatical and is actually not comprehensible in English. It had a grammatical example above it, but still it was extremely difficult to understand the structure of the sentence you wrote. There’s a construction like that in Korean, and I think Malaysian, but they do not use a “the” before them. If you want you introduce a clause which describes a noun, it has to go after the noun.
Compare *“if you want to introduce a which describes a noun clause, it has to go after the noun.” It’s slightly more understandable if you used hyphenation, but still very far from correct or comprehensible:
“a which-describes-a-noun clause”. People might understand that you’re trying to modify the word “clause” in that case, but not be able to actually understand what you mean.
Thanks for clearing this up :)!
I more than liked it. That was fantastic. You simplified it so well. I really feel as though I know the concept now. The advice not to change the order of words from block two was key.
Hallo Emanuel
I honestly don’t know if I’m exaggerating a bit but if I keep reading your stuff I might be the first one in my geographical location (which is the whole of planet earth) that says that I’m in love with the german language.
I appreciate what you’re doing from the innermost of mein Herz.
Thank you.
The exercise links don’t seem to work anymore, anyway to access them now? Allerdings ist dieser Artikel sehr hilfreich. Vielen Dank! :>
Oh crap, thanks for telling me!!
Yes, this article is a few years old and I didn’t notice the links were broken.
I’ll have to edit this part out and maybe do my own exercise for it finally :). Glad you enjoyed it, though!
Der mit der Schönsten Frau Verlobtene man ist klug.
Der Mann, Vor Ameisen Angst haben, die alle Zeit beißen —> Der die bließend alle Zeit vor der alle Zeit bließend Ameisen Angst habende man
Is it possible to have tense mix in this thing
Die Kätze verfloge Mäuse, die entkommen hat
Die Kätze Verfloge entkommende/entkommen habende Mäuse
The first one is pretty good, but it should be:
– Der…. verlobte…
The second sentence is a train wreck, though. Please try again and remember the lessons about relative clauses (I think you’ve commented there, so you should know at least the basics)
The third sentence is a bit better but “entkommen” does not go with “haben”. And the verb is verfolgen, not verflogen.
1) I realized it was wrong after submitting.
I tried to edit but found the buttom no more
Der Mann, der Vor Ameisen Angst haben, die alle Zeit beißen, ist ein Artz von Beruf
Step 1
Der man, der Vor der allen Zeit beißenden Ameisen Angst haben, ist ein Artz,
So it becomes
Der Vor der allen Zeit beißenden Ameisen Angst habende Man
2) As for the third sentence, I was trying a time mix thingy.
And i did have disscution with someone about Partzipp 2 constructions
and apparently,
some constructions need
just the verb + ending
and the others need
the verb + (haben/sein partzipp 1 + Ending)
it was due to some adjectives describing states while the others describing processes
Now it’s better.
Hier ist die richtige Version:
– DEr Mann, der vor den immer beißenden Ameisen Angst hat, ist ein Arzt.
– Der vor den immer beißenden Ameisen Angst habende Mann ist ein Arzt.
DAs zweite ist aber kein guter Stil. Zu lang, der Teil vor Mann.
2) Not sure what you’re referring to.
That the noun must be the subject of the additional info is rather natural, I think. Because the additional info is then used as an adjective, and adjectives are there to specify the noun it precedes. So it would be pretty twisted if the adjective doesn’t actually specify the noun, but something else.
You are one clever guy Emanuel! After reading this, (and your recent Relative Pronoun article) I feel the fog lifting :) The bonus is your articles are always a joy to read. Thanks so much for the effort and thought you put into them.
Thanks a lot :).
And great you actually found your way to this article. I thought about linking it up in the one about relative pronouns but then I forgot :)
Can you use subjunctive forms too? “Der gut wärende Plan führte nicht durch”
Great question! No, that doesn’t work. The d-form is not a scheme, but just one form. So each verb has exactly one d-form. so you can’t make a d-form from different forms of a verb.
Thank you for that explanation. Yeah, I think she is cool to understand that. Thank you as always :)
Hi I have a question. Earlier we were asked by our teacher to write a letter and I used this :)
a line from my letter goes “Alle die leckeren, französischen Speisen, die gestern bei Frau Lia, die Gastgeberin, zubereitet wurden, waren hausgemacht.”
She corrected it “Alle die leckeren, französischen Speisen, die gestern bei Frau Lia, DER Gastgeberin, zubereitet wurden, waren hausgemacht.”
she told me it has something to do with the word ZUBEREITEN, as it always goes with Dative. Why and How? I thought I should make it DIE because it refers to Frau Lia. I hope you could help me. Thanks :)
Hmmm… your teacher is not a native speaker, is she :).
It has nothing to do with “zubereiten”. It is “der” because of the “bei”. The preposition “bei” goes with Dative and this apposition (as it called in jargon) is ruled by “bei”. You can see it, if you just take out Frau Lia.
Hope that helps.
Oh, by the way… it should be “all die”. If you use “alle” in front of a d-article, it’s just “all”.
Don’t be too hard on your teacher though. Just tell her. If she’s a good teacher, she will understand and admit that she got it wrong.
Yep, as people before already told you – “bei” alsways comes with Dative. That’s why it is “der”, which is the Dative Singular Feminine Article in this case. By the way, in case you’d like to know more about the correct use of German participles, just have a look on https://language-easy.org/german/grammar/verbs/participles/ it’s quiet well explained. Greetings from Bolivia!
interesting by the way, that we would change all verbs to “ing”-form and not just the one at the end of the description.
wow. i guess i haven’t read THAT much german yet, but i honestly didn’t even know this was a thing at all. I’ve probably come across it before and was confused so just ignored it. I will say, however, that as a native English speaker this was still more or less intuitive (despite having read your post with no prior knowledge of the subject). That must imply that this exists in English somewhat, and after thinking a bit more, I would say it does. I don’t think it is ever used in spoken English and it is a rare find in written English, but I do think you might come across it in reading a story, specially a children’s story. It’s sort of a cheeky way of writing a description of a person, and sort of emphasizes the description (mostly because it’s such a rarity). It would look something like this…
Normal English:
The man, who looked too old but was young at heart, loved playing minigolf.
Silly, oddly-emphasized, but nevertheless real English:
The too-old-looking-but-young-at-heart man loved playing minigolf.
It’s rare, a bit silly and juvenile sounding, but totally understood. Also, if there is a verb anywhere in there, it would be changed to “ing”-form.
DISCLAIMER: I have zero formal knowledge of teaching English as a first or second language, so I could be spewing utter nonsense. :)
Du bist mein Held! Bevor ich dein Post lese, ich habe nix Über Marsupial Konstruktionen (Party-somethings) verstanden. Jetzt alles ist Lego! Man muss nur von a nach b die Worte bewegen! Du hast über ein Buch einige mal gesprochen, wo kann man es Kaufen? (I know the grammar of that sentence is horrible, sorry, please feel free to correct it)
Ich habe in einem Mathebuch gelesen: “die dadurch leer werdende Stelle”. Also ist ‘werdend’ ab und zu benutzt. Aber vielleicht nur mehr in der Mathematik?
Stimmt, du hast schon recht. Es wird ab und zu benutzt, und nicht nur in der Mathematik. Aber auf jeden Fall eher in geschriebenem Deutsch.